Would Scotty Bowman or Mike Gillis Have Fixed the Leafs in 2008 (with CBC footage)?

[rojac]

Originally Posted by CeeLoBlue

This is a very good point. I think that's what Gillis did with Vancouver that Burke can't do. This might just prove to be Burke's fatal flaw in all sense is that he can't seem to make the small moves that put everything together. He's able to draft and acquire the right pieces and his blueprint is very good, but it's that final touch he's lacking. It's weird how he managed to get that ANA team working though, given the lack of talent before him (Getz/Perry/Ryan weren't the actual top players of that team in 2007 if I remember), and after that run. Still, he's evidently got like 60% of what he envisioned done.

Maybe a certain amount of how things work out is simply luck.

[RandV]

Originally Posted by rojac

Maybe a certain amount of how things work out is simply luck.

It's also timing as much as it is luck. How often are two Hall of Fame class dmen going to become available in back to back years? More than anything the Ducks won the Cup on the strength of Niedermayer and Pronger. Burke went into Toronto with the same intent, but the only players actually available at the time were Kessel and Komisarek.

If anything Burke is an aggressive gambler, Gillis on the other hand is more of a patient one. His handling of Sundin as an example would be comparable to sucking you in to the last card (I don't know all the proper poker terms) before going all-in, while Burke on the other hand tends to go all in off the first draw. However after the initial failure in Toronto it seems he has been learning and playing a better game.

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Originally Posted by Anomander Rake

Burke's main problem is his goaltending evaluation ability is terrible.

He came into Vancouver and built a strong team, but it had Dan Cloutier in net. It was a revolving door of bad goaltenders before and after him as well.

He came into Anaheim and they already had Giguere. Lo and behold, he wins a cup because he's quite good at getting other positions filled with quality players.

He came into Toronto and turned a terrible roster into a mediocre one, but he had no goalie already in place and Toronto has had terrible goaltending his entire tenure and that doesn't look to change any time soon.

07/08=83pts 08/09 = 81pts 09/10 = 74pts 10/11 = 85 pts 11/12 = 81pts

I just dont see it?

[Kirikanoir]

Originally Posted by smoke meat pete

No, he didn't overpay for a center yet, nor a goalie, but he's working on it.

The center is gone and not on the books.

As for the goalie. Getting one of the top goaltenders in the league for a reasonable cap hit beats trusting to luck and Dan Cloutier.

[me2]

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime

Chicago would probably have as many points as Vancouver if they played in a division without any other playoff teams...

No they would have less

Chi vs NW 8-8-4
Chi vs cent 16-6-2

ironic hey.

[Kirikanoir]

Originally Posted by me2

No they would have less

Chi vs NW 8-8-4
Chi vs cent 16-6-2

ironic hey.

Hey it gets even better

Central Division head to head last two years

Chicago 31-13-4=66 Points
Nashville 29-14-5=63 Points
Detroit 25-20-3=53 Points
St.Louis 22-17-9=53 Points
Columbus 13-28-7=33 Points


Canucks vs Central last two years

Vancouver 23-11-6=52 Points

And that is with Vancouver having played a whopping 8 games less against the Central than those other teams.

[WarriorofTime]

Originally Posted by me2

No they would have less

Chi vs NW 8-8-4
Chi vs cent 16-6-2

ironic hey.

When you play a team enough times you figure each other out. It's why the Hawks demolish the Jackets every time they play. For some reason the Hawks slumped badly on the Northwest road trip this year.

[jimmythescot]

Originally Posted by WarriorofTime

When you play a team enough times you figure each other out. It's why the Hawks demolish the Jackets every time they play. For some reason the Hawks slumped badly on the Northwest road trip this year.

The Jackets plain suck this year. And the Wild, the Flames and the Oilers treat every game against the Canucks as if it was the Stanley Cup Finals. They might be considered walkovers for other teams, but they always compete hard against the Canucks.

EDIT: As for the question in the title, if Gillis was in charge of the Leafs he'd have made them a lot closer to a competitor than Burke has.

[smoke meat pete*]

Originally Posted by jimmythescot

The Jackets plain suck this year. And the Wild, the Flames and the Oilers treat every game against the Canucks as if it was the Stanley Cup Finals. They might be considered walkovers for other teams, but they always compete hard against the Canucks.

EDIT: As for the question in the title, if Gillis was in charge of the Leafs he'd have made them a lot closer to a competitor than Burke has.

If you want to use that reasoning, I'll go here.

The Leafs play 41 home games a year where the oppoment plays like it's game 7 of the Stanley Cup final.

[TruKnyte]

Originally Posted by smoke meat pete

If you want to use that reasoning, I'll go here.

The Leafs play 41 home games a year where the oppoment plays like it's game 7 of the Stanley Cup final.

Might be the closest they'll ever get in the near future