Or just waive him like New Jersey (a normal organization) did. Helping the Debbies out was the icing on the cake for Snow. Watch him trade for Redden this September to reach the floor.
Or just waive him like New Jersey (a normal organization) did. Helping the Debbies out was the icing on the cake for Snow. Watch him trade for Redden this September to reach the floor.
If he does I predict there will be people in here defending the move.
Hint: When do you know that a message board is trying to find the tiniest pieces of meat off of rotting carcass and making them out to be huge pieces of steak to prove that a GM is worthless?
Answer:
When the last two pages talk about letting Konopka and Hunter go, lmao!!!
Hint: When do you know that a message board is trying to find the tiniest pieces of meat off of rotting carcass and making them out to be huge pieces of steak to prove that a GM is worthless?
Answer:
When the last two pages talk about letting Konopka and Hunter go, lmao!!!
And when does a person spout off unknowingly that they have no grasp of Bill Torrey and instead will side with Snow?
When they have no knowledge whatsoever of what Bill Torrey did with CHEMISTRY.
It's an LP. It beats a book because it will force you to acknowledge the time we're talking about. I take Hunter and Zenon on my bench over any two Snow pickups this past summer. The phrase to remember, for those who never played a competitive sport in real life, is the weakest link. Zenon made the bench tighter, tougher, more able. Hunter was a great guy on the bench and though he couldn't skate, he was better on the PK and on the boards than about everyone we have up front save for Nielson on the PK.
We need a character like Zenon, not a bunch of passengers on lines 3 and 4.
Guys who leave nothing out, leave it all on the ice. Martin and Haley thankfully have it, and JT had it until his heart apparently was just too battered (like many).
LMAO! Yeah, Hunter was a warrior i'll give him that but doesn't change the fact that he declined and couldn't compete anymore. Same with Mark Parrish. The guy was golden for us on several occasions but once again he couldn't hang anymore. Same thing could happen to Matt Moulson, you never know. I'm not denying Hunter's addition to the team but in the grand scheme of things he'll be forgotten about by most Islander fans...
Trent Hunter was a pile of dong on skates. I'm glad he's gone. Never seen a slower skater in my whole life
Hunter was absolutely finished by the time we traded him. There's plenty of nonsense from both sides of the argument being thrown around in this thread.
Unfortunately, it's pretty obvious that Rolston had a motivational problem and wasn't the right fit for our team. However, Hunter's injuries basically left him an AHL player with $4 million due to him over 2 more seasons. The trade was a wash - we traded Rolston with $1 million left to earn this season. On July 28, 2011; not July 1, 2011; the deal made it look like we weren't trying desperately to stay below the cap. Terrible mission, terribly accomplished. Let's not pretend like Trent Hunter wasn't immediately bought out of his last contract by the Devils. Let's not pretend like Trent Hunter isn't currently playing in the AHL playoffs after having cleared waivers on a $600,000 contract a couple months back.
There's no reason to believe that Hunter would have been any less worthless than Rolston on our actual NHL roster. Obviously, the Islanders thought they could still get something out of Rolston. They were wrong. The Bruins apparently knew what to do with him and had a team that could work with that kind of player.
At best, we would have bought out Hunter ourselves and tried desperately to bring in another salary, or kept him on the 4th line and still tried to bring in another salary. Quite frankly, the team did everything it could to save a penny and it's pretty hard to judge player personnel moves first and foremost in that environment. Look at the actual salaries we handed out this season.
This thread continues to be practically worthless until we know for a fact that ownership is willing to put forth a competitive payroll. Until that actually happens, there isn't a person on these boards who can convince me to fire Snow at this point in time.
I agree that the team (Snow) made misjudgments about the chemistry and components of the team. (Small down the middle. Not physically capable to match most teams in the division at forward or defense. Top-6 lacking plus physical attributes in general.) Snow gets a big fat minus for the lack of toughness and the poor makeup of the team. However, he's working shorthanded and it's hard to know what players would have been targeted if were allowed to truly compete in the marketplace.
I actually am happy we made the Rolston for Hunter swap. It gave Hunter one last chance in the NHL. It gave Rolston a chance to do something with our team. But **** all of that, it cleared the books for next season. We'd either have Hunter's buyout or full salary being paid for 2012-13 if we didn't make the trade. It sucks, and it's sad that this is the kind of **** we have to look at, but it's a better situation for our 2012-13 team. Talk about small victories...
Ughh remind me why our esteemed GM let Bergie walk as a RFA. Another black mark for Snow that many on here have forgotten about or overlooked. I forget the story behind letting him walk but after watching some of the Panthers/Devils games and looking at his stats for the regular season, does anyone remember the back story about Snow not offering a QO? We all remember his bad penalties but he is the exact style of player this team desperately needs. Snow always taking 1/2 a step forward and 2 steps backwards.
Hunter was absolutely finished by the time we traded him. There's plenty of nonsense from both sides of the argument being thrown around in this thread.
Unfortunately, it's pretty obvious that Rolston had a motivational problem and wasn't the right fit for our team. However, Hunter's injuries basically left him an AHL player with $4 million due to him over 2 more seasons. The trade was a wash - we traded Rolston with $1 million left to earn this season. On July 28, 2011; not July 1, 2011; the deal made it look like we weren't trying desperately to stay below the cap. Terrible mission, terribly accomplished. Let's not pretend like Trent Hunter wasn't immediately bought out of his last contract by the Devils. Let's not pretend like Trent Hunter isn't currently playing in the AHL playoffs after having cleared waivers on a $600,000 contract a couple months back.
There's no reason to believe that Hunter would have been any less worthless than Rolston on our actual NHL roster. Obviously, the Islanders thought they could still get something out of Rolston. They were wrong. The Bruins apparently knew what to do with him and had a team that could work with that kind of player.
At best, we would have bought out Hunter ourselves and tried desperately to bring in another salary, or kept him on the 4th line and still tried to bring in another salary. Quite frankly, the team did everything it could to save a penny and it's pretty hard to judge player personnel moves first and foremost in that environment. Look at the actual salaries we handed out this season.
This thread continues to be practically worthless until we know for a fact that ownership is willing to put forth a competitive payroll. Until that actually happens, there isn't a person on these boards who can convince me to fire Snow at this point in time.
I agree that the team (Snow) made misjudgments about the chemistry and components of the team. (Small down the middle. Not physically capable to match most teams in the division at forward or defense. Top-6 lacking plus physical attributes in general.) Snow gets a big fat minus for the lack of toughness and the poor makeup of the team. However, he's working shorthanded and it's hard to know what players would have been targeted if were allowed to truly compete in the marketplace.
I actually am happy we made the Rolston for Hunter swap. It gave Hunter one last chance in the NHL. It gave Rolston a chance to do something with our team. But **** all of that, it cleared the books for next season. We'd either have Hunter's buyout or full salary being paid for 2012-13 if we didn't make the trade. It sucks, and it's sad that this is the kind of **** we have to look at, but it's a better situation for our 2012-13 team. Talk about small victories...
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Mitch
Well said Mitch!!! Well said!
Totally agree and feel that Snow has done an adequate job with the resources, money, arena, perception, and overall standing of the club.
We have to manage through the draft until further notice. I just hope we can get some vets that at least can do something. That has been our biggest dilema. Outside of the overall "D" being average at best.
The "nonsense" of this thread is statements like these:
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Originally Posted by LotteryForLife
Trent Hunter was a pile of dong on skates. I'm glad he's gone. Never seen a slower skater in my whole life
Isles fans love to disrespect veterans who bled orange for their team. There are classier ways to say a player is finished sir. This fan base needs to elevate from the bottom up since the TOP is just going to continue bringing us down.
The other nonsense is people continually missing the point of posts. No one is saying that Konopka and Hunter are all we needed to get into the post season but I'd argue that games would have been a lot more tolerable to watch this season.
I'd also argue that Snow has done an adequate job but why are we accepting of it? Because this is a defeated fan base who accepts below average output. Even if Snow had a real payroll he would still only be an adequate GM, you have to make due with the hand your dealt. That is a fact of life, plenty of other GM's (look at what St. Louis has done) are able to rise against adversity. Snow is good enough for now since we are a lame duck franchise but don't kid yourselves into thinking he is a great GM or done great job.
Lastly, I know this is off topic but being an Islander fan is embarrassing enough. Hearing the Coliseum cheer in '02 as the Flyers beat the Rangers to steal the Division from us on the last day of the season was one of those pinnacle of stupidity moments. Its ridiculous at times. Elevate people, your better than this your Islander fans god dammit!
The "nonsense" of this thread is statements like these:
Isles fans love to disrespect veterans who bled orange for their team. There are classier ways to say a player is finished sir. This fan base needs to elevate from the bottom up since the TOP is just going to continue bringing us down.
The other nonsense is people continually missing the point of posts. No one is saying that Konopka and Hunter are all we needed to get into the post season but I'd argue that games would have been a lot more tolerable to watch this season.
I'd also argue that Snow has done an adequate job but why are we accepting of it? Because this is a defeated fan base who accepts below average output. Even if Snow had a real payroll he would still only be an adequate GM, you have to make due with the hand your dealt. That is a fact of life, plenty of other GM's (look at what St. Louis has done) are able to rise against adversity. Snow is good enough for now since we are a lame duck franchise but don't kid yourselves into thinking he is a great GM or done great job.
Lastly, I know this is off topic but being an Islander fan is embarrassing enough. Hearing the Coliseum cheer in '02 as the Flyers beat the Rangers to steal the Division from us on the last day of the season was one of those pinnacle of stupidity moments. Its ridiculous at times. Elevate people, your better than this your Islander fans god dammit!
Islanders fans are more diverse in opinion than any blanket statement is going to cover in order to prove one point or another.
We finished exactly where we should have considering our payroll. In actual salary, we spent over $10 million less than any team in the league. (I'm even being generous with the $10 million number.)
While the hyperbole wasn't necessary in the low-hanging fruit post you chose to focus on, is Hunter not pretty much finished as an NHLer?
For whatever it's worth, I was a defender of Trent Hunter because he was a smart, hardworking hockey player who took the right path to the puck and was good along the boards. Hunter also raised his game in bigger games. Unfortunately, he had serious injury problems that robbed him of adequate NHL speed. The difference in his skating during just his last season with us was enormous. This isn't a matter of calling out a guy who doesn't play a pretty game. This is a matter of calling a spade, a spade. Trent Hunter is now an AHL player.
If you don't have the resources to compete, then you don't have the resources to compete. This team is obviously in a slow draft only rebuild until we see any inkling that the team is willing to spend to advance the cause.
Some people here think that because Snow was hired by Wang that he is incapable. Quite frankly, he's done a reasonable job with limited resources. Name me the GMs who are going to step into this situation and turn **** to gold.
Firing for the sake of firing isn't good for running a business. Nothing short of Wang opening his wallet enough to compete, or slow progress from our prospect only rebuild is going to see this team reach the next level.
Many free agents have come and gone that would have greatly helped this team. Many more are available this coming season. If our payroll yet again holds up the bottom of the league, what conclusions are we to draw from that? For two years in a row now we have spent far less than any team in the league. Especially towards the end of the season, or after injuries occur, we've had moments where the annual payroll of our opponents has been DOUBLE what ours was.
This isn't exonerating Snow from missing the weaknesses this team has had with size down the middle, in overall toughness, especially in our top-6, and in size and strength on defense. However, adding big talented ANYTHING costs a premium in this league (both in trading assets and in salary.)
This isn't about raising the bar. This is about questioning where most of the blame lies. Firing Snow and replacing him with a GM who is still limited in what players he can obtain because of our ****** payroll allocation is just spinning our wheels. Even worse, it continues our policy of displacing blame from where it should go. When this team is willing to spend, then we can truly judge Snow on a level playing field with his peers. The players we need to improve this team are almost impossible to obtain in our current situation.
I'm hoping the team will shock me and actually spend some ****ing money. If they don't, then I think we'll slowly improve. We'll come close to our 1st round exit year. We'll be about another 1-2 years out after NEXT season before bigger and talented prospects make an impact on our squad. It seems like that's the plan - keep spending low until the final season of the lease. That seems to be the plan we're executing, not trying to win at a reasonable cost.
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