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Bill O'Reilly: Asians Aren't 'By Nature' Liberal ???
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I've always wondered if Bill O' actually believes everything he says.
I think Glenn Beck and Rush are just out of their minds and really do believe the crap they spew, but I can't say one way or the other if Bill really does.
I've always wondered if Bill O' actually believes everything he says.
I think Glenn Beck and Rush are just out of their minds and really do believe the crap they spew, but I can't say one way or the other if Bill really does.
I'm almost certain he believes that all rap is just swearing and bling, and most people in the inner city talk like the most stereotypical hood rat you've ever seen in a movie. It's pretty easy, if you spend almost your whole life in the suburbs, to have silly notions about what someplace like Harlem is like.
But the most interesting part of this article, to me is - Why is Dick Armey suddenly telling the truth?
So he can fund his next venture off the backs of the people he calls the grassroots?
Sounds like a riff (or an expansion) on the David Frum take on the "conservative entertainment complex".
The problem with Republican leaders is that they're cowards, not that they're fundamentally mistaken. The real locus of the problem is the Republican activist base and the Republican donor base. They went apocalyptic over the past four years and that was exploited by a lot of people in the conservative world... Republicans have been fleeced and exploited and lied to by a conservative entertainment complex.
But the most interesting part of this article, to me is - Why is Dick Armey suddenly telling the truth?
So he can fund his next venture off the backs of the people he calls the grassroots?
He got in a fight ar corp headquarters with one of the Top Dog Tea Party Leaders over getting ripped off by satellite Tea Party Orgs. Kinda funny since he started the "grass roots " effort.
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You're right, this is bad of Bill O'Reilly to say. After all, his stupid generalization of one race is far worse than the radicals of the Democraic Party who think they have an absolute momopoly on women and those who are not white.
You're right, this is bad of Bill O'Reilly to say. After all, his stupid generalization of one race is far worse than the radicals of the Democraic Party who think they have an absolute momopoly on women and those who are not white.
Can you provide a gibberish to English translation for those of us who do not speak gibberish?
Bill is one of those guys who knows some stuff without truly understanding it.
There is a smidgen of truth in what he's trying to say. Asians are culturally more conservative than their voting would indicate. So why don't they vote with conservatives more often? I can't speak for all, but I'll give you a couple examples from both my family's experience and other asian families that I know well.
My family actually used to be heavy GOP donors. That changed one day back in the early 90s, when Bush 41 came out and said that he didn't consider non-Christians to be citizens. As you can imagine, that was pretty offensive to asians who a large portion are of Buddhist or other religious backgrounds. What's worse is after that came out, and someone questioned another person in his administration about it, allowing a chance for clarification or backtracking, instead they re-confirmed that that was exactly what they meant! This is the President of the US, the leader of the Republican party, saying if you ain't christian you ain't one of mine. I know among many asian american conservatives there was a deep sense of betrayal.
There was a not-so-subtle implication when you heard that, which was that if you're not a white christian, you're not really one of us ... oh but please give us your money and your votes. Ever since then, my family's stance towards the GOP has been "we're not Americans eh? Well you don't need our votes or our money either." And I'm sure we weren't the only ones.
The turning point of one of my close friends' family was much earlier than that. Their Japanese-American family was actually put into the internment camps during WW2. Yet years later many in the family were drafted into fighting wars for the US. It led to a lot of bitterness, especially since conservative types were the ones who always seemed to be least apologetic about it all, and often seemed to feel it was all perfectly justified (usually in arguments against reparations).
And in recent years, it's been affirmative action in universities that was the source of some hard feelings. In the UC system, asians used to have by far the highest standards in order to gain admittance to the same school. Then when affirmative action went away, the asian population boomed ... and almost immediately there was a big movement, largely led by conservative white families, to change the admissions policies again because asians were "taking over." Which of course implies that somehow asians are outsiders of some sort. Would they have had such a reaction if, say, a bunch of German-American kids were dominating admissions? I doubt it.
The core of the problem is, there's a lot of conservative leaning asians who simply feel that the GOP doesn't consider them to be "real" Americans; hard to vote for a group who looks down on you. All of the things I've described above essentially tell the asian community that they're barely tolerated, and aren't welcomed except as 2nd class citizens at best (or if it's the Bush administration, not seen as citizens at all). Basically, do our dry cleaning, open some cheap restaurants, and operate small markets in the ghetto but that's all you're good for? You can't repeatedly make a group of people feel like outsiders, then expect them to align with your party, even if they're ideologically closer to you than to the Democrats.
Guys like O'Reilly, they just can't understand. He grew up in an era where if you were a hardworking, smart, white male ... the sky was the limit. He and his ilk don't get that it wasn't like that for non-whites, women, etc.. He didn't have to worry about glass ceilings or whether or not he was going to be seen as a "real" citizen. He and the rest of the conservatives who can't figure out why the Latinos and Asians aren't eager to join up with them, they all have the same problem. It's not that Bill and his buddies are bad people ... they're just ignorant with a very narrow perspective; they can't understand anything outside of their own worldview. Which is ironic since if he'd been born 100 years earlier, Irish Americans were largely seen as outsiders and he might have a vastly different perspective.
Asian-americans aren't a particularly vocal or activist minority, but most are very sensitive to and aware of when they're not particularly accepted. And to many asians, being accepted is more important than whether or not the ideologies align perfectly.
His wording is stupid, but foreign born Vietnamese vote Republican by a lot, its their children and children's children, that make it the absurd 80-20 split in favor of Democrats.
Vietnamese are a main staple for Republicans in Orange County California.
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