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I think your under-estimating what 20 goal, top 6 wingers go for in a trade. You may not like his game for whatever reason, but he is what he is. A top 6, 20 goal winger will fetch a good D prospect. Kyle Turris hasn't shown half of what Seto has, and he got Rundblad from the Senators and a 2nd round pick. I haven't been pushing for a particular D prospect from the Pens, as I don't know enough about them to properly place their value in regards to seto. But he would fetch a good D prospect if we trade him to the Pens.
This is a valid point. And when one considers the general unavailability of top six wingers in the trade market, economics will dictate that a premium will need to be paid by the acquiring team (despite the perceived warts or drop-off in the player's game).
I can think of only a handful of top six wingers (Hemsky [EDM], Stewart [STL], Kulemin [TOR]) that one might consider dislodge-able from their current team's roster by simply offering unproven players, prospects or picks. Hence, why demand is going to out weigh supply.
Sorry, you can't project Seto as a 25-30 goal scorer with Crosby or Malkin and ask for that type of return based on projection. It doesn't work that way. You pay for the Seto you have now - the one that doesn't fit into Minensota's plans moving forward based on his lack of production, not for what he could be IF he has chemistry with Malkin or Crosby. Right now, Seto is a former 30-goal scorer that HASN'T connected with ANY center since his first year in the NHL. His play now doesn't or shouldn't warrant the Penguins a primary D prospect, let alone Despres which is ridiculous to begin with.
You say this, then you say just how high value all your d prospects are.
Seto at the very least has scored 20+ goals every year in the NHL, except last year where he hit 19, and even then he had some injury issues and was on the Wild, who of course suck at scoring.
There's at least some proof of his ability to play in the NHL. 20+ goal scorers don't grow on trees.
No offense to Dupuis, I love the guy and always have (we did have him for many years), but him anywhere in the top 6 is just wrong. Kind of the same for Clutterbuck.
The Pens have arguably the best two centermen in the game, and then you have the wingers you do... Neal is alright, same with Kunitz, but come on.
No offense to Dupuis, I love the guy and always have (we did have him for many years), but him anywhere in the top 6 is just wrong. Kind of the same for Clutterbuck.
The Pens have arguably the best two centermen in the game, and then you have the wingers you do... Neal is alright, same with Kunitz, but come on.
Dupuis has averaged exactly 20 goals over his past three seasons with the Pens, with negligible PP time, long stretches without Sid, and while being a very good penalty killer at the same time. With Sid again he is currently on pace to score 17 goals in 48 games. I'm not quite sure how he does it (he wasn't called "No Hands" for nothing) but Dupuis simply works on our team. Not your ideal top 6 winger but in a capped league he's an okay solution. Of course he'll be 34 soon so who knows how long his speed and durability will last. But he's not the problem on our team, and we shouldn't make a desperate trade because of him.
How's this: I don't care what you say. You're a broken record, and we all get it. Moving on. I want to discuss this with people who MIGHT JUST POSSIBLY have a different thought I get to do that so leave me alone, unless you have different to actually say.
Only thing on the Pens worth one of our top 6 forwards are your young d prospects and/or draft picks. Shero wasn't at the game because he couldn't go 4 hours without just watching something, and he wasn't there for RoR. He was watching the Wild's PMB, Seto and Clutter.
The Wild are looking to be truly competitive in about 2 more years. This is why we would really have no interest in another established d. We are going through a youth movement, and it would fit in well with our goals.
Butch is a bit more of a risk, and his value really is at an all time low. I understand the concern with him. He does have the potential to be a 60pt player, so I can also understand the intrigue. Since bringing in Granlund Butch has become a little unnecessary to us. Don't get me wrong, I like Butch, always have actually, but his time with the Wild is ticking away. I agree a second or part of a package deal could be fair value for him. Better he goes where he could be useful than just wilt away for nothing.
Clutterbuck is also fighting for his spot on our team. We just have too many forwards with similar skillsets fighting for the same spots. The Pens also look like they could use a winger like him. He's not great, but he has his uses, especially if you don't really have anyone else like him.
Seto. This is the one many Wild fans are torn on now. He has really turned up his game for the last 7 games, so who knows what will happen with him. If he is unhappy in Minnesota, then it would be best to see what we could move him for. If anyone thinks they're going to get him for a 3rd, just forget it and stop trolling. No trade will ever happen under those circumstances. You don't like him? Fine. It does not mean he does not have value so get over it.
And potentially a D coming back who can play now for depth. But otherwise I agree with you.
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Dupuis has averaged exactly 20 goals over his past three seasons with the Pens, with negligible PP time, long stretches without Sid, and while being a very good penalty killer at the same time. With Sid again he is currently on pace to score 17 goals in 48 games. I'm not quite sure how he does it (he wasn't called "No Hands" for nothing) but Dupuis simply works on our team. Not your ideal top 6 winger but in a capped league he's an okay solution. Of course he'll be 34 soon so who knows how long his speed and durability will last. But he's not the problem on our team, and we shouldn't make a desperate trade because of him.
The issue most of us have with Dupuis is that while he most certainly does work with Crosby, he cannot create offense, and there's issues sustaining offense. So while he's putting up points (and needs a new contract - so will not be cheap any longer) no one considers him to be a "top 6" forward. At best he's a great 3rd liner, or a okay 2nd liner... except on the pens where we have sfa for wingers.
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Out of pure spite for OCPenguin, I hope Pittsburgh acquires Setoguchi.
Agreed. And as a Pens fan would love to see him do well... but it would be an added bonus if he put up a few 30g seasons just as an FU.
I get to do that so leave me alone, unless you have different to actually say.
