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04-14-2012, 10:13 AM
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Am I the only one who thinks it makes no sense to use last night's game to explain why GMs picked who they did a year ago?
This thread was started before last nights game. Also how can somebody say they think Couturier is only going to post 40 point seasons. He posted a 30 pointer playing under 15 minutes a game with scrubs. The kid is for real.

Jordan Staal D plus Eric Staal O equals out to a 65 point plus defensive wizard. Number 1 c on most teams, the Flyers are very lucky to have him play behind Giroux.

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This thread was started before last nights game. Also how can somebody say they think Couturier is only going to post 40 point seasons. He posted a 30 pointer playing under 15 minutes a game with scrubs. The kid is for real.

Jordan Staal D plus Eric Staal O equals out to a 65 point plus defensive wizard. Number 1 c on most teams, the Flyers are very lucky to have him play behind Giroux.
Eric Staal had 100 points his second year. He does not have Eric Staal O, let's be real.

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This thread was started before last nights game. Also how can somebody say they think Couturier is only going to post 40 point seasons. He posted a 30 pointer playing under 15 minutes a game with scrubs. The kid is for real.

Jordan Staal D plus Eric Staal O equals out to a 65 point plus defensive wizard. Number 1 c on most teams, the Flyers are very lucky to have him play behind Giroux.
Sorry if I was referring to posts that were added to the topic after last night's game.

The thread asks WHY wasn't Couturier DRAFTED ahead of Strome Huberdeau and Scheifele. Last night's game and this entire season have NO (NONE NADDA ABSOLUTELY ZERO) clout in that argument.

All you can do is look back at why he and the others were drafted for the answer.

Huberdeau pick was fine
Strome and Scheifele picks were not so clearly understandable.

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I am curious why is Zibanejad for the most part getting a free pass in this conversation

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I am curious why is Zibanejad for the most part getting a free pass in this conversation
He was drafted out of Sweden instead of the CHL, the Senators have a damn good record at the draft with Murray in charge, and Zibanejad did score the game winning goal of the World Juniors.

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He was drafted out of Sweden instead of the CHL, the Senators have a damn good record at the draft with Murray in charge, and Zibanejad did score the game winning goal of the World Juniors.
I still think it's fair game to toss his name into the hat since he was roughly at the same level of the other 3 guys(to varying degrees) and I don't think he has done anything this year to make me say wow he is so much better then Couturier(his SEL stats for instance leave room for improvement)

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Eric Staal had 100 points his second year. He does not have Eric Staal O, let's be real.

It might be news to you but Staal averages just over 70 points a season. I dont think that kind of offensive production is totally out of the question.

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I still think it's fair game to toss his name into the hat since he was roughly at the same level of the other 3 guys(to varying degrees) and I don't think he has done anything this year to make me say wow he is so much better then Couturier(his SEL stats for instance leave room for improvement)
they do norm best totals since Backstrom and Forsberg

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Rumor had it he really bombed in player interviews as well.
Doesn't surprise me, kids a complete goon.

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It might be news to you but Staal averages just over 70 points a season. I dont think that kind of offensive production is totally out of the question.
I think Staal is somewhat a victim of where he plays when it comes to points. It's much harder to score when you are the teams focal point when it comes to offense. You put him on a team that is offense by committee(like Philly or Boston) he probably gets 80-90 points on a regular basis

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they do norm best totals since Backstrom and Forsberg
norm best?

He had 9 points in 26 games last season, 13 points in 26 this season

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Doesn't surprise me, kids a complete goon.
So you think Schenn won't be anything special and that Couturier is a complete goon.

Yeah, sounds like you have an eye for talent.

Back on topic...Couturier is awesome. Wouldn't be surprised if he was one of the top players from this draft down the road.

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norm best?

He had 9 points in 26 games last season, 13 points in 26 this season
i was saying no, it was best totals for a player his age since Forsberg and Backstrom. Right up there with other Swedes. Swedish stats really mean absolutely nothing though, there are waaaaay too many factors at play.

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i was saying no, it was best totals for a player his age since Forsberg and Backstrom. Right up there with other Swedes. Swedish stats really mean absolutely nothing though, there are waaaaay too many factors at play.
You can add Robert Nilsson to the list of guys that had great stats in his draft year(21 points in 41 games). As an Islanders fan I know it was played up he had the best stats in the SEL for a draftable player since Forsberg

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just cause Jordan Staal made the nhl before Toews and Backstrom didnt mean he was better.
Staal was taken before those guys though.

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You can add Robert Nilsson to the list of guys that had great stats in his draft year(21 points in 41 games). As an Islanders fan I know it was played up he had the best stats in the SEL for a draftable player since Forsberg
I'll never forget that draft

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We already knew that SC was more NHL-ready than Strome/Huberdeau.

Yet now after a full season people are shocked?

SC has great potential but don't act like a great playoff game all of a sudden makes him a better pick than Strome/Huberdeau. This will be settled several years from now.

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and let's say Couturier is better 3 years from now than Scheifele, Strome, and Huberdeau, but all 3 teams are in the playoffs and winning games consistently. Will it matter who is better? All teams will be happy with their choice. It's not like it would be a gap of Backstrom > James Sheppard or something like that.

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I'll never forget that draft
Thats OK, you pawned him off on the Oilers for 20 games of Ryan Smyth. I still think the Islanders won that deal.

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Thats OK, you pawned him off on the Oilers for 20 games of Ryan Smyth. I still think the Islanders won that deal.
Well there is always the fact that Parise and Getzlaf should have been off the board by time we picked but weren't. On the flip side I guess we could have picked Bernier(who was picked next) and not be that much better off.

To this day I always wonder why MacGuire got pissed at the Islanders for not taking a chance on a smaller player when Nilsson was smaller then Parise, yet gave San Jose a free pass(when they took a big guy who was considered "lazy")

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and let's say Couturier is better 3 years from now than Scheifele, Strome, and Huberdeau, but all 3 teams are in the playoffs and winning games consistently. Will it matter who is better? All teams will be happy with their choice. It's not like it would be a gap of Backstrom > James Sheppard or something like that.
This isnt about this post directly, but you are literally the worst troll ive ever seen. you arent funny at all and its kinda painful that you are probably grinning and feeling so clever. Its not working. That is all.

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Thats OK, you pawned him off on the Oilers for 20 games of Ryan Smyth. I still think the Islanders won that deal.
I don't know about that - Ryan O'Marra definitely sweetened that deal

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This isnt about this post directly, but you are literally the worst troll ive ever seen. you arent funny at all and its kinda painful that you are probably grinning and feeling so clever. Its not working. That is all.
he *was* the best troll you've ever seen

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