I would have liked to see him get more of an oppertunity myself but if he is hungrier and more prepared physically next year I'm fine with the decision. However its on the Jets organization to make damn sure he's on the correct workout program this summer to ensure that his balance and core strength is good enough come next fall.
As an aside it would have been nice to see what he could have done with Kane and on the halfboards on the pp. We could most certainly use his creativity right now.
Scheifele is lethal from the left halfboards. He's really good at sneaking in for the backdoor and sniping a shot top shelf from lower parts of the left circle.
It didn't take top line minutes to see that Scheifele simply wasn't ready physically, spent half his time staring at the ceiling of the MTS Centre. Back to junior was the right call, and hopefully he can come in and provide some offense next year.
You know, I too wanted to see more of Sheifele this year, but the lock-out hampered any chance to evaluate players at training camp, and the lack of pre-season games definitely affected the coaching staff's attempts to get a read on some of the bubble players. So some were, maybe, given short shrift, and possibly deserved to showcase their talent more, but it was not to be. I certainly wouldn't accuse the Jets of cheating their AHL and junior players, because the same situation was faced by the other 29 teams. They all had to scramble to ice the team that they thought best gave them each the chance to win.
Kevin Chevaldayoff has shown that he is a winner at every level in hockey, and True North has proven to be a first class organization since they moved the Minnesota Moose to Winnipeg in 1996. If the consensus of the team is that Mark Sheifele needed another year in the CHL, I tend to believe that assertion.
I know hockey; I've played it for close to 50 years, my father was closely associated with the Habs organization for many years, then as an official with the OHL; I was connected with first the Jets, and then the Moose as one of several official scorers. I have been a fan of the Jets since the team's inception back in the early 70's, had season tickets for several years, and followed the NHL throughout my life. I'd say I have a pretty decent hockey pedigree. Kevin Chevaldayoff has forgotten more than I know about hockey - and if he says that Mark Sheifele, and the organization, is better served by Scheifele remaining in junior hockey for another season, I think I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
I am more than willing to be patient for a year or two and let the Jets develop from within, because I think having long term success, and making the Jets contenders for several years is a much better goal than pushing for instant, but unsustainable, results.
Short term thinking is illustrated by too many examples to list here, but there are some stunning examples of long-term views that have created dynasties* - such as the Detroit Red Wings, the Minnesota Twins, the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots. I'd much rather have the Jets resemble the Steelers than the Toronto Maple Leafs.
*Dynasty - more of an unbroken streak of making the play-offs, rather than guaranteed to win the championship every year. Sustained excellence in identifying, drafting, recruiting, and retaining players and coaches. And before you jumping to claim that the Twins don't belong on the list, research where most of the team's players came from, and how many seasons the Twins were contenders, even though playing in one of MLB's smallest markets.
You know, I too wanted to see more of Sheifele this year, but the lock-out hampered any chance to evaluate players at training camp, and the lack of pre-season games definitely affected the coaching staff's attempts to get a read on some of the bubble players. So some were, maybe, given short shrift, and possibly deserved to showcase their talent more, but it was not to be. I certainly wouldn't accuse the Jets of cheating their AHL and junior players, because the same situation was faced by the other 29 teams. They all had to scramble to ice the team that they thought best gave them each the chance to win.
Kevin Chevaldayoff has shown that he is a winner at every level in hockey, and True North has proven to be a first class organization since they moved the Minnesota Moose to Winnipeg in 1996. If the consensus of the team is that Mark Sheifele needed another year in the CHL, I tend to believe that assertion.
I know hockey; I've played it for close to 50 years, my father was closely associated with the Habs organization for many years, then as an official with the OHL; I was connected with first the Jets, and then the Moose as one of several official scorers. I have been a fan of the Jets since the team's inception back in the early 70's, had season tickets for several years, and followed the NHL throughout my life. I'd say I have a pretty decent hockey pedigree. Kevin Chevaldayoff has forgotten more than I know about hockey - and if he says that Mark Sheifele, and the organization, is better served by Scheifele remaining in junior hockey for another season, I think I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
I am more than willing to be patient for a year or two and let the Jets develop from within, because I think having long term success, and making the Jets contenders for several years is a much better goal than pushing for instant, but unsustainable, results.
Short term thinking is illustrated by too many examples to list here, but there are some stunning examples of long-term views that have created dynasties* - such as the Detroit Red Wings, the Minnesota Twins, the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots. I'd much rather have the Jets resemble the Steelers than the Toronto Maple Leafs.
*Dynasty - more of an unbroken streak of making the play-offs, rather than guaranteed to win the championship every year. Sustained excellence in identifying, drafting, recruiting, and retaining players and coaches. And before you jumping to claim that the Twins don't belong on the list, research where most of the team's players came from, and how many seasons the Twins were contenders, even though playing in one of MLB's smallest markets.
You know, I too wanted to see more of Sheifele this year, but the lock-out hampered any chance to evaluate players at training camp, and the lack of pre-season games definitely affected the coaching staff's attempts to get a read on some of the bubble players. So some were, maybe, given short shrift, and possibly deserved to showcase their talent more, but it was not to be. I certainly wouldn't accuse the Jets of cheating their AHL and junior players, because the same situation was faced by the other 29 teams. They all had to scramble to ice the team that they thought best gave them each the chance to win.
Kevin Chevaldayoff has shown that he is a winner at every level in hockey, and True North has proven to be a first class organization since they moved the Minnesota Moose to Winnipeg in 1996. If the consensus of the team is that Mark Sheifele needed another year in the CHL, I tend to believe that assertion.
I know hockey; I've played it for close to 50 years, my father was closely associated with the Habs organization for many years, then as an official with the OHL; I was connected with first the Jets, and then the Moose as one of several official scorers. I have been a fan of the Jets since the team's inception back in the early 70's, had season tickets for several years, and followed the NHL throughout my life. I'd say I have a pretty decent hockey pedigree. Kevin Chevaldayoff has forgotten more than I know about hockey - and if he says that Mark Sheifele, and the organization, is better served by Scheifele remaining in junior hockey for another season, I think I will give him the benefit of the doubt.
I am more than willing to be patient for a year or two and let the Jets develop from within, because I think having long term success, and making the Jets contenders for several years is a much better goal than pushing for instant, but unsustainable, results.
Short term thinking is illustrated by too many examples to list here, but there are some stunning examples of long-term views that have created dynasties* - such as the Detroit Red Wings, the Minnesota Twins, the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New England Patriots. I'd much rather have the Jets resemble the Steelers than the Toronto Maple Leafs.
*Dynasty - more of an unbroken streak of making the play-offs, rather than guaranteed to win the championship every year. Sustained excellence in identifying, drafting, recruiting, and retaining players and coaches. And before you jumping to claim that the Twins don't belong on the list, research where most of the team's players came from, and how many seasons the Twins were contenders, even though playing in one of MLB's smallest markets.
darthMonty, solid post!!! when schief breaks into the jets lineup, i want to see him take hold of it, and control it. this kid will be our number 1 center with kaner on his side.
i wan them to be placed to play wherever is most conducive to their abilities.
if Schiefele is able to succeed in a sheltered offensive role on he NHL team, he should be on the NHL team.
if he's able to contribute at both end of the rink as the third center, he should be on the NHL team.
if he isn't able to do those things, then by all means send him to the A. You shouldn't give players the "benefit of the doubt" due to high draft position and placing them in the show right away, but that also means you should not do the opposite and force them to the A for a year no matter what. It's the exact same thing.
I trust our management to make the right decision, though i do wonder about Noels usage of young guys a lot of the time.
Yeah I agree. Let them grow and play on the top two lines in the AHL rather than 4th line with the JETS. Referring to Scheifele.
I don't agree. If a player is ready for the show and is capable of playing a key role then he should be on the team. Sending a player to the AHL just to send them to the AHL to me shows a lack organizational flexibility and could be detrimental to both player and the team. Im not saying he will, but if Mark comes in next year physically ready and able to compete, lights up training camp and has good chemistry with Kane are we really going to send him down to learn the pro game when the team could use his talents (Setup guy for Kane and pop half board play). Granted all of this is based on him earning it in camp, if he's not ready then send him down for a bit. I just am not a fan of the one path fits all mentality.
I don't agree. If a player is ready for the show and is capable of playing a key role then he should be on the team. Sending a player to the AHL just to send them to the AHL to me shows a lack organizational flexibility and could be detrimental to both player and the team. Im not saying he will, but if Mark comes in next year physically ready and able to compete, lights up training camp and has good chemistry with Kane are we really going to send him down to learn the pro game when the team could use his talents (Setup guy for Kane and pop half board play). Granted all of this is based on him earning it in camp, if he's not ready then send him down for a bit. I just am not a fan of the one path fits all mentality.
If he is playing with Kane then that means he has earner a spot on the 2nd line right? But what if he only plays well enough in camp to earn a spot with Thorbs and slater on the 4th line? Is he better off playing 6 min a night with no talent around him or playing 20 min a night on the rock centering the 1st or 2nd line? That is the question to be answered and IMHO if he doesn't earn at the minimum a center spot on the 3rd line out of camp then send him down
He didn't get a fair shake because the Jets didn't want to lose a year of his contract.
I agree with you in essence Sip. I also agree with everyone who has argued this. This is because I believe it's obviously a combination of the two.
It obviously wasn't fully ELC motivated or else they would never have even called him up in the first place. They could have just used the excuse many teams did and say they have their full lineup and not enough time to analyze what the youth can bring.
It obviously was partially ELC motivated however or else they would have never sent him down. He clearly has more skill than quite a few others on this team, but he wasn't quite capable of rising up the lineup on his own either. I also agree with the fact that he could use more strength. That's clearly true, but it's obviously not the whole reason. The ELC played a part and when comparing how much icetime he could have gotten here compared to Barrie I think all those factors played into why he was sent down.
If he is playing with Kane then that means he has earner a spot on the 2nd line right? But what if he only plays well enough in camp to earn a spot with Thorbs and slater on the 4th line? Is he better off playing 6 min a night with no talent around him or playing 20 min a night on the rock centering the 1st or 2nd line? That is the question to be answered and IMHO if he doesn't earn at the minimum a center spot on the 3rd line out of camp then send him down
I agree with this and did stipulate that he would have to be playing a meaningful role to stay up.
