I don't understand the point of doing this unless you're going to make it more interesting like the NBA lottery.
There are only two reasons to make the lottery open to every non-playoff team. The first reason would be to devalue 'tanking', thereby increasing the chance that a team ices a competitive product.
The second would be to make the NHL lottery show that TSN puts on an actual event and you could do that if you make it the way the NBA does it.
For those that don't know the NBA's process, their lottery determine the entire draft order, but you can't drop more than 3 spots. So theoretically (although unlikely) you could have the 17th 18th and 19th place teams draft 1,2,3. It would be good television, and would devalue tanking a bit because the highest valued outcome for a 30th place team would be drafting 4th. (although even in the NBA system, the chance of the last place team drafting 4th is still only 35%)
The only problem with them using the NBA lottery system is those who believe in conspiracy theories. For example whenever the NHL does return and the Phoenix Coyotes don't have an owner or are close to getting one and finish 9th in the Western Conference standings. However they end up winning the lottery and 1st overall, some people will claim Bettman wanted that to happen. In the NBA the New Orleans Hornets won the 1st overall pick for the 2012 Draft and at the time they were owned by the NBA, although they were in the process of being sold to Tom Benson. Some people thought David Stern wanted that to happen on purpose based on their circumstances.
Well, it is at the moment. Apparently won't be quite the same for long.
Just because it's a "fact of life" doesn't mean it's perfect.
My opinion is different from yours. If my team was still in the basement after 3-4 years of first overall picks I wouldn't think we deserved another one because I'd feel we were too incompetent to use it properly. Two in a row is sufficient. Just my opinion. No one has to agree with it or like it.
What do you mean "it is at the moment"? Unfair? How? You still haven't explained that.
No one said it's perfect but it is the best option. And if they do change it then it's just another knee jerk reaction or its making a change for the sake of a change. Makes no sense either way.
Why would your team being in the basement after 3-4 years of first overall picks mean you don't deserve another one? Having a first overall pick is not some magic solution to instant credibility or even the automatic strenghtening of the team. There are still learning curves. These players are only 18 years old when they're drafted, they are not some sort of messiah that means the team is immediately a Stanley Cup contender. How does it make your team incompetant by not using it properly? Thats inane. Who says they haven't used it properly? The TEAM still needs to be better as a TEAM, getting one guy, even if its for 3 years in a row doesn't mean the TEAM is suddenly that much better.
And you're right it is just your opinion, just like my opinion is just my opinion. But you have yet to explain why it's your opinion other than making general non-substance comments like "its not fair".
Actually I do hate the Oilers but that has nothing to do with this topic.
You agree they got their first pick fairly, well, what was unfair about the next two? They were not a strong team and in fact were basically the worst team in the league [or 2nd worst] in the next two seasons. What exactly is not fair about them having the opportunity to improve themselves based on their ineptness? I don't understand how its "not fair" they got the #1 overall based on their record.
And of course the fans weren't optimistic or overjoyed for getting the pick because it meant they had a horrible team.
Who cares if it would have been a "bigger deal" to Columbus, Toronto or Montreal? What in the world does that have to do with anything?
As for the "marketing gig" all I can say is ; are you serious? Thats a bizarre method of thinking in my mind.
But just so you know I'm not meaning to grind on you I just honestly don't comprehend the logic you are using in drawing your conclusion.
Couldn't have said it any better. Just because a team "needs" a player to draw interest [ie. Stamkos in Tbay] doesn't mean they "deserve" a first more.
Oilers hope to use the picks to build a winning team. It just so happens they just sucked so poorly that it's taking a long time to improve.
At the moment the draft is the way it has been for many years. There is a proposal to change it under the new CBA. If that happens, the way it is now will no longer be applicable. I thought that was pretty clear.
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Unfair? How? You still haven't explained that.
I've explained it, you just don't acknowledge it. That's fine.
But let me give you an example. The Lightning. I may have the years and numbers slightly off here, but they're close enough. In 1999-2000 we finished 30th. In 2000-2001 we finished 28th. In 2001-2002 we finished 27th. During that time we did not win the first overall a single time. Not once. Yet, even without the benefit of winning one #1 overall pick, much less multiple #1 overall picks, in 2002-2003 we won our division. If we can make that type of progress without winning a single first overall pick, then surely a team with multiple first overall picks should at least be able to claw its way out of the bottom of the cellar if they run their team wisely. If they don't, at some point I just think the other teams that are in the same basic position should have the chance at that first pick to see if they can do a better job with it.
Probably wisest, however, to just agree to disagree and move on.
Last edited by Boltsfan2029: 12-30-2012 at 11:45 PM.
this is an awful idea, the 9th place teams dont need a chance for first overall, the teams that finish 20 points back of contention do. give me one good reason why a team that loses in a shootout on the last day of the season deserves a first overall pick.
everyone is going to think this is a good idea until a team like washington or pittsburgh have an off year and take home a nathan makinnon or seth jones. the fact is the draft lottery does what its suppose to, keep parity in the league and keep interest in teams that are not doing so well. people can hate on the oilers all they want but they were 30th 30th and 29th, you cannot say they didnt need the help.
i am fully against this idea
To keep teams honest; eliminates potential for tanking, or at least mitigates it.
If you look at what the weighted draft system is trying to encourage - putting out a competitive product - I wonder if Fehr will try to get a little something added to the cap floor. The owners seem like they want parity, but the teams the Islanders ice year after year fly in the face of that even if they are saving an owner some money.
I disagree that a weighted draft lottery, is an effort to encourage ' putting out a competitive product'.
The weighted draft system had been put into place, to try to let the worst teams rebuild with first choice at the top prospects available.
I think this proposed change is being offered, to end the complaints about teams tanking for the #1.
Actually I do hate the Oilers but that has nothing to do with this topic.
You agree they got their first pick fairly, well, what was unfair about the next two? They were not a strong team and in fact were basically the worst team in the league [or 2nd worst] in the next two seasons. What exactly is not fair about them having the opportunity to improve themselves based on their ineptness? I don't understand how its "not fair" they got the #1 overall based on their record.
And of course the fans weren't optimistic or overjoyed for getting the pick because it meant they had a horrible team.
Who cares if it would have been a "bigger deal" to Columbus, Toronto or Montreal? What in the world does that have to do with anything?
As for the "marketing gig" all I can say is ; are you serious? Thats a bizarre method of thinking in my mind.
But just so you know I'm not meaning to grind on you I just honestly don't comprehend the logic you are using in drawing your conclusion.
I mean they got their first pick overall fairly (all of them) not just the first of the 3.
I'm just saying the league is all about parity. While not nearly as big as the playoffs, it is a minor thrill for a team to pick first overall and sometimes that can even save a team and fanbase; Mario Lemieux, Wendel Clark, Mike Modano, Eric Lindros (for another team), Vinny Lecavallier, Alex Ovechkin, Crosby, Kane, Stamkos all turned the teams they went to around and in the cases of the Pens and Lightning, those guys may have saved the franchises altogether.
Sounds good to me, though I don't think it's ever happened this system would prevent a team from tanking to get the 1st pick.
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Exhibit A as to how hockey doesn't matter on ESPN:
Last night an ESPN program was discussing how the Detroit Pistons needed a hero citing the heroes on the Detroit Tigers, Detroit Lions and no mention of the Detroit Red Wings. All this despite the Red Wings probably being the most succesful team in Detroit right now.
