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08-01-2014, 08:41 AM
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What about Brian Leetch for the Rangers?

I think there should be a rule of how far you can go back. Bill Cook is from 80 years ago. Doesn't diminish what he did, but it was a totally different era. This should be a poll of relatively contemporary players, IMO. But, hey, it's not my thread, I guess...
The Rangers' history does go that far back right? I don't see why we should ignore that part of their history even if it was 80 years ago. Actually their most successful years were during Cook's period so we would we discounting the majority of the success the Rangers had in their history. But Leach as #1 is fine too but I don't fully agree with it.

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08-01-2014, 09:31 AM
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Ovy doesn't belong in the top 13, Mario should either be number 1 if u include everything he has done since retiring or drop to out side of the top 5, potvin and beliveau should be tied in the 4 and 5 spots
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08-01-2014, 09:47 AM
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I don't think Kariya should be ahead of Selanne. Not touching the controversy of him leaving, Selanne has far superior stats, and won a cup with Anaheim. Basically Selanne has 457g 531a 988pts (res sea) and 35g 34a 69pts (playoffs) compared to Kariya's 300g 369a 669pts (res sea) and 14g 15a 29pts (playoffs). Kariya may be top 5 for Anaheim, but Selanne is #1 at this point.

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08-01-2014, 09:57 AM
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that list is pretty good, for florida it'd be luongo or weiss though, but there's also a case for mellanby, and ofc beezer
Bure?

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08-01-2014, 11:28 AM
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Anaheim: Pronger
Arizona: Hawerchuk
Boston: C-Bass
Buffalo: Afinogenov
Calgary: Langkow
Carolina: Brindamour
Chicago: Bobby Hull
Colorado: Deadmarsh
Columbus: Hartnell
Dallas: Lehtinen
Detroit: Hudler
Edmonton: RNH
Florida: Upshall
Los Angeles: Kopitar
Minnesota: Parise
Montreal: Desjardins
Nashville: Erat
New Jersey: Clarkson
NYR: Lindros
NYI: Tavares
Ottawa: Bonk
Philadelphia: Klatt
Pittsburgh: tangradi
San Jose: Falloon
St. Louis: Oshie
Tampa: Hamrlik
Toronto: Berezin
Vancouver: Ronning
Washington: Juneau
Winnipeg: Stefan
And I thought I was a big RNH fan.

I honestly can't tell for certain if you are joking because a couple of these make sense.

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08-01-2014, 11:40 AM
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It doesnt matter that he got traded out, Luongo is the most important single player in Canuck history in terms of elevating the team and winning. Bure was a godly talent, but the arrival of Lu turned the Canucks into a yearly division winner for a decent stretch.

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08-01-2014, 12:08 PM
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It doesnt matter that he got traded out, Luongo is the most important single player in Canuck history in terms of elevating the team and winning. Bure was a godly talent, but the arrival of Lu turned the Canucks into a yearly division winner for a decent stretch.
Linden... Without a doubt.
King Richard originally made them relevant so Luongo is probably number 2 even as far as goalies are concerned.

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08-01-2014, 05:38 PM
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Question for Rangers, what about Rob Gilbert? No one seems to talk about him despite leading the Rangers in Goals/Points and second in Assists only to Leetch.

Is there any reason for not including him in the conversation?

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I think for the Sabres it has to be

1a. Gilbert Perreault
1b. Dominic Hasek
3. Lindy Ruff (do coaches count? lol)

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I think for the Sabres it has to be
3. Lindy Ruff (do coaches count? lol)
I thought you meant as a defenseman?

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08-01-2014, 07:31 PM
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The all-time MVP for the Sharks is not Joe Thornton...it is Patrick Marleau. Thornton will be the better player but Marleau has done more with the team and has arguably sustained his high level of play in multiple facets longer than Thornton has who has pretty much become a one-dimensional player now.

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08-01-2014, 07:56 PM
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that list is pretty good, for florida it'd be luongo or weiss though, but there's also a case for mellanby, and ofc beezer
2001...

Bure scores 59 goals/92 points

Second in team scoring was Viktor Kozlov with 37 points

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08-01-2014, 08:18 PM
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1. A team's MVP must have spent a statistically significant part (whether by actual game stats or length) of their career there. (i.e. No Gretzky for St. Louis)

Bad rule. What if Gretky had 30 points during those playoffs and led the Blues to their only Cup? He would automatically be their MVP.

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08-01-2014, 08:21 PM
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Anaheim - Teemu Selanne
Arizona - Shane Doan / Winnipeg - Bobby Hull
Boston - Bobby Orr
Buffalo - Gil Perreault
Calgary - Jarome Iginla / Atlanta - Tom Lysiak
Carolina - Rod Brindamour / Hartford - Ron Francis
Chicago - Denis Savard
Colorado - Joe Sakic / Quebec - Peter Stastny
Columbus - Rick Nash
Dallas - Mike Modano / Minnesota - Brian Bellows
Detroit - Steve Yzerman
Edmonton - Wayne Gretzky
Florida - John Vanbiesbrouck
Los Angeles - Marcel Dionne
Minnesota - Mikko Koivu
Montreal - Jean Beliveau
Nashville - Shea Weber
New Jersey - Martin Brodeur / Colorado - Wilf Paiement
New York Islanders - Denis Potvin
New York Rangers - Brian Leetch
Ottawa - Daniel Alfredsson
Philadelphia - Bobby Clarke
Pittsburgh - Mario Lemieux
San Jose - Patrick Marleau
St Louis - Al MacInnis
Tampa Bay - Vincent Lecavalier
Toronto - Mats Sundin
Vancouver - Pavel Bure
Washington - Alex Ovechkin
Winnipeg - Andrew Ladd / Atlanta - Ilya Kovalchuk

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1. A team's MVP must have spent a statistically significant part (whether by actual game stats or length) of their career there. (i.e. No Gretzky for St. Louis)

Bad rule. What if Gretky had 30 points during those playoffs and led the Blues to their only Cup? He would automatically be their MVP.
Well in that case, it could be argued that it is indeed a statistically significant part of their career (although, it'd be very difficult to argue given that it is ONE season...).

However, that being said, Gretzky didn't lead the Blues to their only Cup. So, I used him as a clear-cut example of what I mean.

How about Selanne in Colorado as a better example, then. The point of this rule is to disallow selections of players who obviously didn't contribute to this specific team's success, but were quite successful elsewhere.

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08-01-2014, 09:38 PM
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I'm the biggest Brodeur fan in the world but Scott Stevens is the greatest Devil of all time, no matter how you slice it. He was the most important piece to our cup teams and a great leader. Not to mention one of the greatest shutdown d-men of all time.
I would agree with this.

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Anaheim: Teemu Selanne
Arizona: Dale Hawerchuk
Boston: Bobby Orr
Buffalo: Dominik Hasek
Calgary: Al Macinnis
Carolina: Ron Francis
Chicago: Bobby Hull
Colorado: Joe Sakic
Columbus: Rick Nash
Dallas: Mike Modano
Detroit: Gordie Howe
Edmonton: Wayne Gretzky
Florida: Roberto Luongo
Los Angeles: Wayne Gretzky
Minnesota: Marian Gaborik
Montreal: Maurice Richard
Nashville: Shea Weber
New Jersey: Martin Brodeur
New York Rangers: Brian Leetch
New York Islanders: Denis Potvin
Ottawa: Daniel Alfredsson
Philadelphia: Bobby Clarke
Pittsburgh: Mario Lemieux
San Jose: Joe Thornton
St. Louis: Brett Hull
Tampa Bay: Martin St. Louis
Toronto: Syl Apps
Vancouver: Henrik Sedin
Washington: Alex Ovechkin
Winnipeg: Ilya Kovalchuk


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08-01-2014, 10:08 PM
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Right now, Alfie for Ottawa. There is a chance it'll be Karlsson in a decade.

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08-01-2014, 10:40 PM
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Question for Rangers, what about Rob Gilbert? No one seems to talk about him despite leading the Rangers in Goals/Points and second in Assists only to Leetch.

Is there any reason for not including him in the conversation?
Similar career to Mats Sundin. Never was the among the super elite during his time, but extremely consistent. Also, never led the Rangers to the promised land. He's first in points due to him just being with the Rangers a long time (only one other player has played 1000+ games with the Rangers, Leetch).

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Similar career to Mats Sundin. Never was the among the super elite during his time, but extremely consistent. Also, never led the Rangers to the promised land. He's first in points due to him just being with the Rangers a long time (only one other player has played 1000+ games with the Rangers, Leetch).
Don't forget about Harry Howell with his team record 1160 Regular Season games for the Rangers But valid points on Gilbert

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08-02-2014, 07:57 AM
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  • Anaheim: Paul Kariya (Teemu Selanne's 2nd)
  • Arizona (Winnipeg/Phoenix): WHA version - Bobby Hull; NHL version: Keith Tkachuk (Shane Doan close 2nd)
  • Boston: Bobby Orr AINEC
  • Buffalo: Dominik Hasek (Pat Lafontaine a close 2nd)
  • Calgary (Atlanta): Jarome Iginla
  • Carolina (New England/Hartford): WHA - Gordie Howe (without him, they'd never been an NHL team); NHL - Ron Francis
  • Chicago: Bobby Hull
  • Colorado (Quebec): Joe Sakic (Peter Forsberg second, Peter Stastny third)
  • Columbus: Rick Nash
  • Dallas (Minnesota): Mike Modano in Dallas, Neal Broten in Minnesota
  • Detroit: Gordie Howe (Steve Yzerman 2nd)
  • Edmonton: Wayne Gretzky AINEC (Sorry, Mess and Kurri)
  • Florida: Hm... I guess I'll buy Roberto Luongo.
  • Los Angeles: Marcel Dionne (Luc Robitaille 2nd).
  • Minnesota: Nicklas Backstrom.
  • Montreal: Maurice Richard.
  • Nashville: We're having this argument right now on our sub-board: Pekka Rinne? Shea Weber? I'll go with Shea.
  • New Jersey (Kansas City/Colorado): Martin Brodeur; KC and CO don't really come close to him.
  • NYI: Denis Potvin (Billy Smith 2nd)
  • NYR: Brian Leetch (Mike Richter 2nd)
  • Ottawa: Daniel Alfredsson
  • Philadelphia: Bernie Parent (Bobby Clarke 2nd)
  • Pittsburgh: Mario Lemieux (Jaromir Jagr 2nd; Crosby a distant third)
  • San Jose: Joe Thornton
  • St. Louis: Brett Hull (Al MacInnis 2nd)
  • Tampa: Vincent Lecavalier
  • Toronto: Turk Broda (Mats Sundin 2nd)
  • Vancouver: Daniel Sedin (Kirk McLean 2nd)
  • Washington: Olaf Kolzig (Ovechkin 2nd)
  • Winnipeg (Atlanta): Ilya Kovalchuk.
Not even close. Trottier/Potvin

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That may be the most arguable one.... I think Id go with St Louis given his Hart and 2 Art Rosses.

Also Montreal.... between Beliveau, Richard, and Harvey. I think Id go with JB.
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St.Louis for Tampa.
I would disagree. St. Louis was/is the better player but without Lecavalier I wonder if the Lightning would still exist. He was the only marketable player early in his career of a team in the middle of 4 straight 50+ loss seasons. Most valuable to the team on the ice would be St. Louis but most valuable to the team is Lecavalier and nobody comes close IMO.

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Not even close. Trottier/Potvin
I'll defer, but can I ask why? Billy Smith was a pretty good goaltender back in the shooting gallery that was late 70's-early 80's hockey.

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For the rangers

Cook has a very good argument, but it's Leetch. Messier and Richter shouldn't be top 3 IMO. Also Hank is making a strong case for himself to be up there. He's already the best goalie the franchise has ever had and he's got about half a career to go.

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Vanbiesbrouck or Bure, I'll take either one.

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