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What is Adam Larsson?

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#1 9 2.47%
#2 225 61.81%
#3 106 29.12%
#4 24 6.59%
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05-19-2017, 06:43 AM
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Hey guys just out of curiosity, by what metric is Larsson a top-pairing D-Man?



He put up 19 points.
And yet for a guy who is apparently void of offensive skills his ES point totals put him tied at 60th for defensemen in a league with 30 teams. This hardly seems like compelling evidence that he can play in a top pairing.

Part of this is the role he was given to start the season. He was paired with Klefbom and his job was to mind the fort while Klefbom played a bigger role in the team's offensive attack. For the first half of the season Larsson had very little involvement in the play up the ice.

We also saw a more offensively assertive player in the playoffs. (He's still tied for 4th amongst defensemen for ES points.) This was a trend that had started in the latter half of the season. In fact from Jan 1 onwards he was tied for 34th in ES points by a defenseman.

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He averaged 4th on the team in average ice time for Oilers defensemen.
But he average the second most at ES just behind Russell. And certainly by the midway point it was clear that Klefbom/Larsson was the teams top pair.

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4th in average PK ice time for defensemen.
McLellan runs his usual pairs on the pk. Of the four defensemen in the top 4 Klefbom is probably the weakest on the pk. Russell is also a shot blocking machine so McLellan used Sekera/ Russell as the first pair on the pk for a good part of the year. Klefbom and Larsson were the second pair with both having basically the same amount of pk time. The only real difference is that Klefbom has a habit of occasionally extending his shifts. So calling him 4th on the team distorts the way he was used.


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Does not play the powerplay.
The Oilers use 1 defenseman on both pairings. Larsson is not the guy. But this has little to do with his ability to be a top pairing defenseman at ES.

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5th in CF Rel %.
Honestly, this tells you nothing about Larsson.

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3rd highest GA/60 for defensemen at ES.
There were some shaky moments in the beginning. The pair played a fair amount with McDavid's line with Eberle and Lucic. They, meaning the whole 5-some, had a particularly bad stretch for a month in Nov and early December where as a group they got lit up quite a bit. His GA/60 ballooned to well over 3. You will note that his GA/60 with McDavid is 3.22 and away from McDavid was 1.87. This is not to say that it was McDavid's fault, but rather that it shows how much that group of 5 got lit up over a relatively short period of time. And while Larsson was not great during the stretch Klefbom really struggled. (Not surprisingly after not playing much of last year). Klefbom was probably responsible for the larger share of the avoidable goals against during that stretch.

Form October 30th through to December 9th Larsson was -11 and was a -6 up to that point over all. He finished the season at +21 and was a minus player in only 7 games from that point on.

For much of the second half of the year Larsson and Klefbom played with a combination of McDavid's new line and with Nuge's line against the opposition's top players. His GA/60 with Nuge was 1.65. But to drop his GA/60 from about 3.4 after the first 30 games to 2.3 by the end of the year Larsson had to play the last 50 games at about 1.65 GA/60.

Larsson was flat out terrific during the last 20 or so games. These were mostly very intense, playoff like games for the Oilers as well.

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Had the worst GA/60 when short handed of any defenseman on the team.
No offense but when you are talking about a combined 126 minutes Sh on the ice for the whole year trying to measure anything by GA/60 is meaningless. One or two goals either way can skew the results substantially and have little to do with the player.

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And Oiler fans, please don't take this the wrong way. I LOVE Lars, he's a decent puck-mover who makes a great first pass and usually makes the smart play. I get whole shiny new toy syndrome and all, but...c'mon he's not a top-pairing guy. Don't confuse team success with individual success, the Oilers didn't take this leap simply because of Larsson. They did it because the most talented player in the league became another year more experienced, because they got Milan Lucic, because Patrick Maroon had a career year, because Leon Draisait took a HUGE step, because Kris Russell is very solid, and yes. Larsson too.
I think everyone who watched the team knows that the improvement was due to a lot of factors. But Larsson was definitely an impact player. He and Klefbom were the undisputed top pair for this team once things settled down.

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05-19-2017, 05:58 PM
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Id say he is a #1 cause hes of the top 30 dmen in the league but the true contenders seem to have two top 30 guys usually
I wouldn't say so. Not close IMO.

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05-19-2017, 06:41 PM
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Probably one of the best defensive defensemen in the league. He is 2 times the player faulk is easily. People underestimate him on defense. He is obviously a #2 dman even though he might lack some offensive tools. Points do mot mean much when you can stop the other team from scoring. He was a +21 with only 19 points, so that obviously tels you he is more than capable of playing where he is. If you guys just watch him in the defensive zone youd understand.

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05-19-2017, 06:48 PM
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Also a + 15 on the devils last year and you know how bad they were and are now without him

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05-19-2017, 08:28 PM
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Hey guys just out of curiosity, by what metric is Larsson a top-pairing D-Man?

He put up 19 points.

He averaged 4th on the team in average ice time for Oilers defensemen.

4th in average PK ice time for defensemen.

Does not play the powerplay.

5th in CF Rel %.

3rd highest GA/60 for defensemen at ES.

Had the worst GA/60 when short handed of any defenseman on the team.

And Oiler fans, please don't take this the wrong way. I LOVE Lars, he's a decent puck-mover who makes a great first pass and usually makes the smart play. I get whole shiny new toy syndrome and all, but...c'mon he's not a top-pairing guy. Don't confuse team success with individual success, the Oilers didn't take this leap simply because of Larsson. They did it because the most talented player in the league became another year more experienced, because they got Milan Lucic, because Patrick Maroon had a career year, because Leon Draisait took a HUGE step, because Kris Russell is very solid, and yes. Larsson too.
Where does he rank in even strength minutes? How is his quality of competition?

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05-20-2017, 05:59 AM
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top-pairing shutdown defenseman. pretty clear cut #2.

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05-20-2017, 12:39 PM
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top-pairing shutdown defenseman. pretty clear cut #2.
Except no stats support the claim he's a #2

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05-20-2017, 03:07 PM
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Except no stats support the claim he's a #2
If you would watch hockey, you would clearly see he is a number 2. Hes always on for more goals for than goals against

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05-20-2017, 10:06 PM
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Except no stats support the claim he's a #2
I really can't stand this. Aside from the fact that those stats do exist, these are the type of posts that come from people that either haven't seen the player at all, or only a handful.

Those of us who watched Larsson all season know he's a great #2 who got better as the year went on and was a beast in the playoffs.

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05-20-2017, 10:12 PM
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Except no stats support the claim he's a #2
It's like you saw Fouriers post and just went "nah"

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05-23-2017, 06:51 PM
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He's a number 2.

It's amazing that he had to play in Canada to get widespread respect and recognition around here though.
Thats the problem with defensive defensemen. They dont show up on the scoresheet, they dont show up on the highlights, they arent flashy, etc. Its not until you actually watch them play do you get an idea of the impact they have on a game. But judging by the voting, more people are now clueing in that he's a top pairing defensive dman.

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