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Nash is a bigger and more complete player than Kessel, Franson hasn't really impressed anyone this year and a 2nd rounder doesn't weigh much when you're dealing with a player like Nash.
Take out Columbus's first and Toronto's second rounder and Columbus probably makes this move.
Hell NO. what the..... I don't even think i'd trade our pick straight up for Nash if its top 3. Nash is overall better then Kessel. But I still wouldn't trade him straight up for Nash. better cap hit, younger ect.
There is no way Kessle has more value than Nash. I now you are going to go to stats, but until Kessle leads the league in goals, wins a gold medal, or is a leader of a team he does not have more value than Nash. Even after looking at cap hit which shouldn't really matter in TO.
Nash lead the league in goals ages ago, if we go by that then how about Gomez for Ryan Johanssen +? Of course you have to add since Gomez led the league in assist years ago, won the cup and won the calder.Also, so what if Nash is the leader of the blue jackets? Where has he taken the team?
Nash lead the league in goals ages ago, if we go by that then how about Gomez for Ryan Johanssen +? Of course you have to add since Gomez led the league in assist years ago, won the cup and won the calder.Also, so what if Nash is the leader of the blue jackets? Where has he taken the team?
There is no way Kessle has more value than Nash. I now you are going to go to stats, but until Kessle leads the league in goals, wins a gold medal, or is a leader of a team he does not have more value than Nash. Even after looking at cap hit which shouldn't really matter in TO.
Im pretty sure the Leafs are interested in winning gold medals
1) Nash has more value than Kessel, although its very close
2) This is a terrible deal for CBJ
3) LOL @ Franson on Columbus top 4. Tyutin, Nikitin, Wizniewski, Johnson say hello. Id also rather have Moore or Methot than Franson.
Thats a joke right? Nikitin more value than Franson? LOL. Better player tha Franson? LOL. I would much rather have Franson than Nikitin, also unlike Nikitin, Franson still hasnt reached his potential
Why do people over rate Nash so dam much?? Jeezee... He is a good player but he aint worth Top 5 point leader,2 firsts, top 4 d.... you people honestly need a reality check.... seriously..
Thats a joke right? Nikitin more value than Franson? LOL. Better player tha Franson? LOL. I would much rather have Franson than Nikitin, also unlike Nikitin, Franson still hasnt reached his potential
Franson is, what, a year younger than Nikitin? Don't make it seem like Franson has so much more room to grow. Nikitin has played 100 fewer games and is out-producing Franson on the worst team in the league with a -65 G/D. Not to mention he logs more minutes. Don't see how he's reached his potential at all, and yes, at least to Columbus Nikitin holds more value because we know that he has at least had some impact for us. No way Franson would take his place in the top 4, at least for as long as it would take Franson to "reach his potential" and pass Nikitin, as you suggest.
Franson is, what, a year younger than Nikitin? Don't make it seem like Franson has so much more room to grow. Nikitin has played 100 fewer games and is out-producing Franson on the worst team in the league with a -65 G/D. Not to mention he logs more minutes. Don't see how he's reached his potential at all, and yes, at least to Columbus Nikitin holds more value because we know that he has at least had some impact for us. No way Franson would take his place in the top 4, at least for as long as it would take Franson to "reach his potential" and pass Nikitin, as you suggest.
And you dont think theres a correlation between these two? He produces more because they have nobody so he gets more ice time. Not to mention the amount of games Wilson scratched Franson for this season.
PS last night Nikitin was a -2 against the 2nd last place team in the league.
And you dont think theres a correlation between these two? He produces more because they have nobody so he gets more ice time. Not to mention the amount of games Wilson scratched Franson for this season.
PS last night Nikitin was a -2 against the 2nd last place team in the league.
Because he was playing with Aaron ****ing Johnson instead of Tyutin hahah.. Johnson is so bad at D they throw him in at forward sometimes
I`m not trying to pimp Kessel`s leadership skills here, I`m simply pointing out the fact that Rick Nash being the leader of the CBJ does not increase his value as much as the poster I commented on thinks it does.
Thats a joke right? Nikitin more value than Franson? LOL. Better player tha Franson? LOL. I would much rather have Franson than Nikitin, also unlike Nikitin, Franson still hasnt reached his potential
Even assuming Franson is better than Nikitin (not a given but to make my point) doesn't mean he'd play top 4 on CBJ. "Top 4" does not exist in a vacuum. Tyutin and Nikitin have played relatively well together, and likely make up the second pair even if Franson is acquired.
Again, the issue at hand for CBJ (as some, including myself, have said) is not whether Franson is good or going to get better, it's that his skill-set doesn't add ton the mix for CBJ's blueline, and even if he is better or going to get better, it wouldn't be enough better to have CBJ give up asset(s) for him - even as part of a package.
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Hab fan here and I'm siding with Leaf fans, Kessel is better than Nash. Funny thing is that counter proposal citing Nash better than x is accurately purely in the sense Howson will demand more. Toronto would be idiotic as far as I'm concerned to trade for Nash. They have enough horrid contracts and Columbus has a deluded belief of what Nash's vaue is. If that New York offer was true and they denied it. No team will ever acquire Nash.
Thats a joke right? Nikitin more value than Franson? LOL. Better player tha Franson? LOL. I would much rather have Franson than Nikitin, also unlike Nikitin, Franson still hasnt reached his potential
Thats a joke right? Franson more value than Nikitin? LOL. Better player than Nikitin? LOL. I would much rather have Nikitin than Franson, also Nikitin still hasnt reached his potential.
Posting crap like that is easy, especially when you obviously haven't seen Nikitin's game even a couple times.
Seeing that you brought Nikitin's +/- in 1 frikin game as an argument is beyond laughable. 1st goal was scored after Aaron Johnson lost the puck along the boards and the guy who was 1st overall pick scored a goal. The second was an empty netter.
And you dont think theres a correlation between these two? He produces more because they have nobody so he gets more ice time. Not to mention the amount of games Wilson scratched Franson for this season.
PS last night Nikitin was a -2 against the 2nd last place team in the league.
You didn't even respond to the main point. Nikitin and Tyutin have played well together, Nikitin has been doing well with those minutes and playing in all situations. To us, yeah he has a hell of a lot more value. Maybe Franson has more value to you, I really don't know. But for us Nikitin has been playing very well on both ends of the ice. Nikitin doesn't ever need to be scratched, not to mention you don't see his name in every Columbus proposal like you do with Franson's in TO.
And that postscript at the end just makes you sound pathetic. A player's +/- after 1 game? Who cares? The whole team sucked that night. One of those goals was clearly not his fault and the other was an empty net, but whatever.
