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09-07-2013, 02:53 AM
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Doesn't know how to use Google, therefore I'm the idiot.

Well okay!
That great someone is doing something about it.

I don't quite get your point.

If the claim is that gayness or promotion of gayness is creating a problem with demographics id suggest Putin spend more of his efforts addressing more serious threats to Russian "demographics".

Such as:

- rampant alcoholism.
- healthcare.
- road safety as someone else brought up.

To name a few.

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10-04-2013, 01:44 AM
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Rainbow colored uniforms? Eh...maybe a little. Maybe someone can be more blatant though

http://www.latimes.com/sports/sports...0,322006.story

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10-04-2013, 11:51 AM
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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/10...tcmp=obnetwork

Greenpeace crew in 'shock' in Russian jails

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Greenpeace crew members detained in Russian jails for two months over their open-sea protest against Arctic oil drilling are "close to shock" over their conditions, a rights activist said Tuesday.

The 30 detained are being held in pre-trial detention centres in the cities of Murmansk and Apatity, which are nearly 2,000 kilometres (1,250 miles) north of Moscow and above the Arctic Circle.

All but four of the activists are non-Russians from countries including Britain, the United States, Finland and Argentina.
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"Many of them are in a state close to shock," she told AFP after visiting the prisoners. "They had never expected that they would face such consequences for their peaceful protest in a democratic state."

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10-04-2013, 01:54 PM
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You don't **** around with Gazprom

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10-06-2013, 11:16 AM
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The Finnish woman, Sini Saarela, is expected to to be sentenced then immediately deported.

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10-07-2013, 02:34 PM
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The gentleman is a member of an organization called "Sober Russia". That's what is says on his shirt. He is talking to Putin about substance abuse in Russia. He says that while we have much problems with hard drugs in Russia and there is much being done to combat that, we have a much more serious problem with Alcohol and Tobacco that kills many more people. He talks about how his organization tries to educate people about sober living. He says the current idea in Russian organizations is temperance, that is limit what you drink, but he says more needs to be done to teach the idea of sober living. He says that they are not for prohibition, but thinks that alcohol and tobacco should not be sold in grocery stores, but in special stores for vice products.

He then makes a request to have a decree that all new buildings being built have better outdoor exercise equipment to help with the recent explosion of outdoor workouts that are sweeping through the former society countries. He says all the bars are bent everywhere from all the people working out.

For those of you that haven't heard of the street work out thing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poV3gfxuZH8

Putin answers him that he is very happy that we have people in Russia who understand the situation. He goes on to say that he is glad these guys aren't pushing for prohibition or high taxes. That they tried it in the 80s and all it leads to is contraband and people drinking and smoking all sorts of terrible crap. He says that their method is the right way, to educate people on sober living and he thanks them for their work.
Путин проигнорировал его.

Putin doesn't give a crap if they're alcoholics or on hard drugs. That's less people who will complain and/or who will pay attention to what he's doing to the country.

Sober Russia is doing all the work but Putin just says, 'good job.' Nice. Talk to enough Russians and you will discover the problem is quite serious. But, the Putin regime is like a cabal and there's different groups and they all have the 'you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours' mentality. Instead of dealing with the problem or addressing it, Putin is busy making payoffs and acquiring his own. Already, billions have been poured into paying off Chechen dictators and terrorists. So, a bunch of Russians with drinking problems doesn't concern him. At least, there is an organization to do all the work.

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10-07-2013, 04:02 PM
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Already, billions have been poured into paying off Chechen dictators and terrorists. .
Re: Chechnya. Unfortunately throwing money at a problem is sometimes the best way to exert influence and keep the peace.
Look at Iraq. Say what you want about the invasion, but Iraq would still be a war zone had the US not bought-off the militias.

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10-08-2013, 10:29 PM
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Greenpeace crew in 'shock' in Russian jails
It's prison, it should be shocking in terms of conditions.

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10-09-2013, 08:07 AM
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http://nakedsecurity.sophos.com/2013...ommunications/

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All communications coming from visitors and athletes at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Russia will be monitored by newly strengthened telephone and internet spying technologies.......

Once a SORM box is in place, the FSB can get at any and all phone calls or internet communications, without any of it being logged and without the provider ever knowing, Walker writes.

This will enable Russia to not only track suspected foreign spies, but also possibly to immediately break up any type of rally for gay rights amidst the controversy over Russia’s crackdown on such rights, Walker comments.

The US State Department's Bureau of Diplomatic Security earlier this year warned those traveling to the Games to take precautions with communications and devices, The Guardian notes.

It sent out a brochure that read, in part:

"Business travellers should be particularly aware that trade secrets, negotiating positions, and other sensitive information may be taken and shared with competitors, counterparts, and/or Russian regulatory and legal entities."

Or as Naked Security's Mark Stockley puts it, "Sochi is a surveillance trap set by one the globe's experts in surveillance. So the only sensible advice is don't do, say or bring anything you aren't prepared to share with the Russian Federation."

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10-09-2013, 08:20 AM
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It's prison, it should be shocking in terms of conditions.
Logic and reason dictates otherwise.

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10-09-2013, 09:31 AM
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It must be a shock for Western activists that there are consequences to breaking the law..they are used to getting away with their B.S.

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It must be a shock for Western activists that there are consequences to breaking the law..they are used to getting away with their B.S.
Yeah.... being charged as a pirate would be quite a shock.

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Logic and reason dictates otherwise.
Prison should be a deterrent to crime, if you make Prison all nice and reasonable (like a lot are in England), it doesn't deter crime, as the criminal would rather be in jail. Please explain why prisons shouldn't be shocking in terms of conditions? Considering on the whole its for the vermin of society (not including the government obviously).

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10-09-2013, 10:35 AM
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Prison should be a deterrent to crime, if you make Prison all nice and reasonable (like a lot are in England), it doesn't deter crime, as the criminal would rather be in jail. Please explain why prisons shouldn't be shocking in terms of conditions? Considering on the whole its for the vermin of society (not including the government obviously).
I suppose once you consider criminals "the vermin of society", you don't really care about things like rate of recidivism.

Go read about the effectiveness of deterrence in the criminal justice system, if you're changing anything but the certainty of punishment, you're probably just making things worse.

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10-09-2013, 10:41 AM
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Yeah that ***** Riot girl ended up in the hospital 4 days into a hunger strike. There were allegations about how the prison was being run. That's inhumane treatment of prisoners.

In this case the Greenpeace nuts are probably being treated well - they're just shocked they are being charged with crimes (so not a lot to do with prison).

I don't really care - they have brains so they shouldn't have gone ahead with it if they weren't prepared to accept being in jail and being charged with crimes.

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Re: Chechnya. Unfortunately throwing money at a problem is sometimes the best way to exert influence and keep the peace.
Look at Iraq. Say what you want about the invasion, but Iraq would still be a war zone had the US not bought-off the militias.
Dude, the last week alone had twp huge bombings in Iraq with dozens dead in each one.

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10-09-2013, 10:59 AM
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Prison should be a deterrent to crime, if you make Prison all nice and reasonable (like a lot are in England), it doesn't deter crime, as the criminal would rather be in jail. Please explain why prisons shouldn't be shocking in terms of conditions? Considering on the whole its for the vermin of society (not including the government obviously).
Because treating prisoners like actual human beings leads to lower rates of recidivism, the "tough on crime" approach merely leads to more hardened criminals.

The deterrent theory is completely ignorant of the nature of criminals. There are four major types of criminals, those who commit crimes of passion, those who commit crimes of opportunity, those who commit crimes of necessity and psychopaths.

The potential punishment never enters the thoughts of someone who commits a crime of passion, as they are highly emotional and not operating rationally. Those who commit crimes of opportunity do not care about the potential punishment as they always think they are smart enough to get away with it. Those who commit crimes of necessity have no choice, and thus aren't going to pay much consideration to punishment. Psychopaths commit crimes for their own entertainment and don't give a flying **** about the potential punishment.

As Gobias already said above me, the only actual deterrent is an effective police force and judicial system.


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10-09-2013, 01:12 PM
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In this case the Greenpeace nuts are probably being treated well - they're just shocked they are being charged with crimes (so not a lot to do with prison).
The article talked about how they're being treated. Article says people can't get their prescribed medications (don't say how serious their conditions are) and mentions the prison breaking some Russian law regarding putting Russian and non Russian speakers together. I doubt anyone's treated too well in a Russian prison 2000km north of Moscow.

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Prison should be a deterrent to crime, if you make Prison all nice and reasonable (like a lot are in England), it doesn't deter crime,
If "reasonable" prisons like a lot are in England didn't deter crime while the "shocking" ones in Russia did, surely there would be a lot more crime in England than there is in Russia.

Yet the opposite is true.

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Because treating prisoners like actual human beings leads to lower rates of recidivism, the "tough on crime" approach merely leads to more hardened criminals.

The deterrent theory is completely ignorant of the nature of criminals. There are four major types of criminals, those who commit crimes of passion, those who commit crimes of opportunity, those who commit crimes of necessity and psychopaths.

The potential punishment never enters the thoughts of someone who commits a crime of passion, as they are highly emotional and not operating rationally. Those who commit crimes of opportunity do not care about the potential punishment as they always think they are smart enough to get away with it. Those who commit crimes of necessity have no choice, and thus aren't going to pay much consideration to punishment. Psychopaths commit crimes for their own entertainment and don't give a flying **** about the potential punishment.

As Gobias already said above me, the only actual deterrent is an effective police force and judicial system.
How can you distinguish between any of them? Isn't the person committing a crime of opportunity a psychopath because he thinks he can get away with it while rationalizing to himself that he's doing it out of necessity?

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10-10-2013, 08:33 AM
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How can you distinguish between any of them? Isn't the person committing a crime of opportunity a psychopath because he thinks he can get away with it while rationalizing to himself that he's doing it out of necessity?
Does not compute.

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Does not compute.
Right. Psychopaths don't feel a need to rationalize.

The place to put pressure on that argument is on "crimes of opportunity". That's where deterrence could potentially make sense. Unfortunately, those are the cases where deterrence is used the least (i.e. white collar crimes, financial crimes).

I had always understood arguments against deterrence to rely on the claim that the number of crimes which are "crimes of opportunity" is vastly overestimated. People are prejudiced against criminals.

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