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Byron Boy 1 2.27%
Brassard 0 0%
3rd line grinder Callahan 0 0%
Carcillo 0 0%
Hagelin 0 0%
Kreider 0 0%
Dom Moore 0 0%
Rick Jesus Nash 23 52.27%
Benny Poos 1 2.27%
Richie 0 0%
Stepan 0 0%
The Real Zuke 3 6.82%
Dan Jaroodi 0 0%
Ryan McDonagh 0 0%
Hollywood actor Kevin Kline 2 4.55%
Mark Stall 0 0%
Anton Stralman 4 9.09%
John Moore 1 2.27%
Henrik Lundqvist 9 20.45%
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01-24-2014, 02:57 PM
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Well you might not call him a sniper for his career, but during that season nobody's looking at his goals saying they don't count because he can't do that over his career. He was a contender for the Rocket Richard, regardless of whether he maintained that success.
Yeah pretty much this. There's no reason a team can't be a contender for one year. A team that contends every year is an annual contender. Carolina was a perfect example.

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Well you might not call him a sniper for his career, but during that season nobody's looking at his goals saying they don't count because he can't do that over his career. He was a contender for the Rocket Richard, regardless of whether he maintained that success.
and for that one season I can't argue.

But when I see the word Sniper, Cheechoo doesn't come to mind. For that matter, neither does Adam Graves.

When I see the word contender, the 2011-12 Rangers do not come to mind.

I'm not interested in one off's. They don't impress me in the least.

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defination of middle of the road team that got lucky.

Edmonton falls into that catagory as well.
How is a team as stacked up front as Carolina was in 2006 "middle of the road"? They have a 1-2-3 center punch of Staal, Brind'Amour, and Weight.

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How is a team as stacked up front as Carolina was in 2006 "middle of the road"? They have a 1-2-3 center punch of Staal, Brind'Amour, and Weight.
The '05-06 Hurricanes are another team I see downplayed a lot on HF, and I don't understand why. They were a really good team.


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How is a team as stacked up front as Carolina was in 2006 "middle of the road"? They have a 1-2-3 center punch of Staal, Brind'Amour, and Weight.
I look at what teams have done pre and post successful seasons and base my opinion of what a contender is based on that.

99-00 - miss PO's
00-01 - out in 1st
01-02 - Lose cup finals
02-03 - miss
03-04 - miss
04-05 - no season
05-06 - Cup
06-07 - miss (WORST TEAM IN LEAGUE)
07-08 - miss
08-09 - Conf. Finals loss
09-10 - miss
10-11 - miss
11-12 - miss
12-13 - miss

Now, further proof that they were pretenders and not contenders, they played in perhaps one of the WORST divisions in the NHL during the majority of the above and missed the PO's a whopping 9 out of 13 seasons.

That doesn't scream contender to me.

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01-24-2014, 03:27 PM
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I look at what teams have done pre and post successful seasons and base my opinion of what a contender is based on that.

99-00 - miss PO's
00-01 - out in 1st
01-02 - Lose cup finals
02-03 - miss
03-04 - miss
04-05 - no season
05-06 - Cup
06-07 - miss (WORST TEAM IN LEAGUE)
07-08 - miss
08-09 - Conf. Finals loss
09-10 - miss
10-11 - miss
11-12 - miss
12-13 - miss

Now, further proof that they were pretenders and not contenders, they played in perhaps one of the WORST divisions in the NHL during the majority of the above and missed the PO's a whopping 9 out of 13 seasons.

That doesn't scream contender to me.
To be honest, the term "contender" both baffles and annoys me. It's like we've created some imaginary tier of teams that we think have an actual chance of winning a cup, despite seeing time and time again that teams who aren't thought to be one of these mystical "legit contenders" can and have won Cups.

I mean, look at what you just posted, for example. Between 02 and 09, they made conference finals, the cup finals, and won a cup, and missed the playoffs every other year! And yet we continue pretending like it really matters who's a "legit contender" as though our tier matching and power ranking means a damn.

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How is a team as stacked up front as Carolina was in 2006 "middle of the road"? They have a 1-2-3 center punch of Staal, Brind'Amour, and Weight.
Team wins Cup with 4th best record in NHL = pretender

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I look at what teams have done pre and post successful seasons and base my opinion of what a contender is based on that.

99-00 - miss PO's
00-01 - out in 1st
01-02 - Lose cup finals
02-03 - miss
03-04 - miss
04-05 - no season
05-06 - Cup
06-07 - miss (WORST TEAM IN LEAGUE)
07-08 - miss
08-09 - Conf. Finals loss
09-10 - miss
10-11 - miss
11-12 - miss
12-13 - miss

Now, further proof that they were pretenders and not contenders, they played in perhaps one of the WORST divisions in the NHL during the majority of the above and missed the PO's a whopping 9 out of 13 seasons.

That doesn't scream contender to me.
Why are you including the last few years? Who do they have left from their cup team? Eric Staal and Cam Ward.

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01-24-2014, 04:13 PM
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and for that one season I can't argue.

But when I see the word Sniper, Cheechoo doesn't come to mind. For that matter, neither does Adam Graves.

When I see the word contender, the 2011-12 Rangers do not come to mind.

I'm not interested in one off's. They don't impress me in the least.
Yeah.... my definition of contender is simply looking at the teams personnel and evaluating the odds of success.

Clearly, a mediocre team can get far if many of their players are having career years. Thus, teams with limited skilled players do outperform in any given year but have problems maintaining their performance going forward if they are just having "one of those years".

Conversely, some contenders do have poor years but generally if the talent is there they are consistently near the top.

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This team just isn't good enough to hang with the elite teams of the league. It is what it is.
Does "hanging" include going into the Chicago and beating the Hawks in regulation?

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Does "hanging" include going into the Chicago and beating the Hawks in regulation?
I hate that justification...it's what ppl always say.

oh we won 1 or 2 games vs good teams therefore Rangers=l33t

Every year the worst teams in the NHL beat the best teams in the NHL.

I'm too lazy but what are teh Rangers record vs teams in the playoffs right now and vs teams out of the playoffs right now. i'll bet it's pretty average.

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