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Corey Crawford vs Antti Niemi

View Poll Results: Niemo or Crawford?
Antti Niemi 60 78.95%
Corey Crawford 16 21.05%
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03-15-2013, 07:01 PM
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Niemi is having a Vezina-caliber year. He's the only reason we're even close to the playoffs this year. The Sharks are bottom five in goals scored yet we are currently in line for the playoffs.

Niemi has literally stolen points for us. Can you say the same for Crawford?

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03-15-2013, 07:56 PM
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Niemi is having a Vezina-caliber year. He's the only reason we're even close to the playoffs this year. The Sharks are bottom five in goals scored yet we are currently in line for the playoffs.

Niemi has literally stolen points for us. Can you say the same for Crawford?
Crawford is behind only Anderson in ES sv%. If you discount the most recent games against Colorado and Edmonton, where lazy defensive play on the PK allowed the opposition prime scoring chances (and 5 PP goals in 12 PP shots), he has a .927 when the opposition has a PP. Stopping 93% of the PP shots wouldn't have won the Colorado game, but it would have made a difference in the Edmonton game.

Your goalie is your best penalty killer. Outside of those two games, Crawford has posted excellent numbers on the PK. Even including those two games, he has stellar numbers at ES.

Also, earlier in the thread someone said to compare Crawford's numbers to Emery's.

So? Crawford's numbers are ridiculously better. He has a .014 advantage at even strength, .010 on the PK, and .011 on the power play (against SH goals).

Where's the beef?

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03-15-2013, 08:07 PM
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Crawford is behind only Anderson in ES sv%. If you discount the most recent games against Colorado and Edmonton, where lazy defensive play on the PK allowed the opposition prime scoring chances (and 5 PP goals in 12 PP shots), he has a .927 when the opposition has a PP. Stopping 93% of the PP shots wouldn't have won the Colorado game, but it would have made a difference in the Edmonton game.

Your goalie is your best penalty killer. Outside of those two games, Crawford has posted excellent numbers on the PK. Even including those two games, he has stellar numbers at ES.

Also, earlier in the thread someone said to compare Crawford's numbers to Emery's.

So? Crawford's numbers are ridiculously better. He has a .014 advantage at even strength, .010 on the PK, and .011 on the power play (against SH goals).

Where's the beef?
Yet Emery is 10-0.

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03-15-2013, 08:43 PM
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Crawford is behind only Anderson in ES sv%. If you discount the most recent games against Colorado and Edmonton, where lazy defensive play on the PK allowed the opposition prime scoring chances (and 5 PP goals in 12 PP shots), he has a .927 when the opposition has a PP. Stopping 93% of the PP shots wouldn't have won the Colorado game, but it would have made a difference in the Edmonton game.

Your goalie is your best penalty killer. Outside of those two games, Crawford has posted excellent numbers on the PK. Even including those two games, he has stellar numbers at ES.

Also, earlier in the thread someone said to compare Crawford's numbers to Emery's.

So? Crawford's numbers are ridiculously better. He has a .014 advantage at even strength, .010 on the PK, and .011 on the power play (against SH goals).

Where's the beef?
I don't think anyone here is saying that crawford has not been good, cause that would just not be true. this is a comparison between two players. you can't just spew numbers on one guy. why don't you cmpare the two? probably because you haven't watched a single non-chicago sharks game this year and thus have no idea what you're talking about. how can you blame some of crawford's numbers on "lazy defensive play"? That could be said of any team... including the sharks on nights. you can't just cherry pick which games you want to include...

Niemi is better. Most people so far seem to agree.

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03-15-2013, 10:57 PM
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Crawford is behind only Anderson in ES sv%. If you discount the most recent games against Colorado and Edmonton, where lazy defensive play on the PK allowed the opposition prime scoring chances (and 5 PP goals in 12 PP shots), he has a .927 when the opposition has a PP. Stopping 93% of the PP shots wouldn't have won the Colorado game, but it would have made a difference in the Edmonton game.
That's a horrible argument. Since we're discounting recent games, lets not include the last game against LA where their 2 ES goals were very weak plays by the defense. That makes Niemi's ES save percentage 0.940 as well.
No one is saying Crawford sucks, but saying Crawford is "sure as hell better than Niemi" is ridiculous, and it's obvious you haven't watched Niemi play this season.

Crawford is a great goalie this season, but Chicago is a great team as a whole. Niemi has to stand on his head every game to give the Sharks a chance to win.


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Until Crawford wins a cup, it's Niemi.

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Niemi. He makes big saves and doesn't give up goals at terrible times. He's the kinda guy I want in the playoffs.

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03-16-2013, 03:28 PM
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Niemi is having a Vezina-caliber year. He's the only reason we're even close to the playoffs this year. The Sharks are bottom five in goals scored yet we are currently in line for the playoffs.

Niemi has literally stolen points for us. Can you say the same for Crawford?
I can understand taking Niemi over Crawford, but this reasoning makes it obvious you haven't been paying attention to Crawford this year.

It'd be like taking this year's Stamkos over the 2008 65-goal Ovechkin because Stamkos is having a "Richard-caliber" year. The reasoning doesn't make any sense.
Both Crawford and Niemi have been among the very best in the NHL this season.

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Until Crawford wins a cup, it's Niemi.
There are many legitimate arguments to be made as to why one would want Niemi over Crawford. Which makes it so confusing that people choose to use flawed ones such as this.

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