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2017 Hobey Baker winner Will Butcher may go UFA

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07-17-2017, 10:02 AM
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The NHL should change this loophole and make NCAA prospects RFAs who can then be signed for a 3rd or 4th round pick as compensation
My wish; eg; If drafted in 3rd round @67, offered a ELC club from original drafter, signs with different club,, the drafting club gets the 67 in draft following year.

Of course, applies to all rounds.

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The NHL should change this loophole and make NCAA prospects RFAs who can then be signed for a 3rd or 4th round pick as compensation
It's not a loophole. A loophole is an oversight or an omission that is exploited. This is neither of those; it's just a mechanism in the CBA that applies to pretty much all drafted players that allows them an avenue to not be forced into playing for the team that drafted them. It's been around forever, everyone is aware of it, and yet it's still there. I don't know why people insist on calling it a loophole or something that must be fixed.

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07-17-2017, 10:51 AM
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Who cares . Most of these college free agents don't amount to beans . I get it is a free asset . Likely equal to a 2nd or 3rd round pick but how often does a 2nd or 3rd amount to anything at the NHL level ?

Good luck to theses kids . Hope they all do well . I also think the NHL should close this loop hole so these kids can't bolt

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at least Spencer Foo has a shot at being a decent bottom six forward. Butcher isn't NHL material.

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The NHL should change this loophole and make NCAA prospects RFAs who can then be signed for a 3rd or 4th round pick as compensation
What loophole? It’s not a loophole. CHL players can also become UFAs if not signed (depending on their age, they may go back into the draft). Simply put, it’s not a loophole and, because of that, it doesn’t need to be “closed”.

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You bet the New Jersey Devils are going to be hard after this guy, even if he sucks.

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07-17-2017, 12:37 PM
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Butcher is a smallish LHD that played in college hockey in Denver. If he signs with the AVs, Sakic would likely be pressured for a local, award winning player, rebuilding team in a position of need be given NHL minutes. AVs are among the teams that are in desperate need that he can play immediately in the NHL.

If he chooses UFA and rumoured teams are Florida, LV, NYR, Toronto, Boston and maybe Chicago getting minutes will be much more difficult. Salary capped as a ELC, he still earns the same regardless of the team.

I honestly believe he should sign with a team that has the clearest path to the NHL. He already spent 4 years in Denver and even if he fails, fans will be supportive since he is a local player. AVs are his very best chance and if he goes elsewhere, it is within his rights, but his path to the NHL might be much more difficult.
Don't assume the Avs are the easiest path just because our D sucks today. Butcher is young and not expected to be more than a3rd pair PP specialist (if he were to make it in the NHL). We have a lot of young Dmen with 3rd pair potential.

The Avs problem is the top4.

I'm not sure about the others teams, but maybe someone is lacking younger prospects and Butcher just wouldn't have as much competition over the next year or two.

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07-17-2017, 12:42 PM
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A lesser version of Joey Laleggia...except Laleggia can skate.
Butcher is much more well rounded. And Butcher relies on his IQ and passing skill, while Laleggia is a puck carrier. They really are not similar other than being short and having high production.

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What loophole? It’s not a loophole. CHL players can also become UFAs if not signed (depending on their age, they may go back into the draft). Simply put, it’s not a loophole and, because of that, it doesn’t need to be “closed”.
And that's the thing - teams have multiple years to sign here guys, if they want to keep them start making better pitches to keep them. The players are giving up multiple years of earning a couple million dollars by waiting so long to sign, it's not as if they're being super exploitative here either.

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Seems like a future brad hunt. But weird he wouldn't sign with the team that plays in same state he played NCAA in. Plus a team with a horrible D core that he could walk on to right now, maybe even top 4 if Zadorov bolts

Even when Edmonton was as bad, Schultz still signed here to get minutes. If a guy is running away from nhl minutes due to toxicity of the team, things must be really bad

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Seems like a future brad hunt. But weird he wouldn't sign with the team that plays in same state he played NCAA in. Plus a team with a horrible D core that he could walk on to right now, maybe even top 4 if Zadorov bolts

Even when Edmonton was as bad, Schultz still signed here to get minutes. If a guy is running away from nhl minutes due to toxicity of the team, things must be really bad
He wouldn't get NHL minutes in Colorado. Assuming no Duchene trade, Zadorov, Bigras, Barberio and Lindholm, would all be ahead of him.

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And that's the thing - teams have multiple years to sign here guys, if they want to keep them start making better pitches to keep them. The players are giving up multiple years of earning a couple million dollars by waiting so long to sign, it's not as if they're being super exploitative here either.
Exactly.

By staying in college, they could waste away millions.

It hurts the player more than it hurts the team.

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Seems like a future brad hunt. But weird he wouldn't sign with the team that plays in same state he played NCAA in. Plus a team with a horrible D core that he could walk on to right now, maybe even top 4 if Zadorov bolts

Even when Edmonton was as bad, Schultz still signed here to get minutes. If a guy is running away from nhl minutes due to toxicity of the team, things must be really bad
I know the popular thing to do right now is to bash the Avs for any and all reasons, but there isn't a defense in the league that Butcher walks onto, not even the Avs, and not even if Zadorov heads to Russia. He's a project prospect. A good, but not great, senior season doesn't change that. He'd likely be battling Bigras and Siemens for top 4 minutes in San Antonio.

So your whole idea that he's walking away from sure-fire NHL minutes to play in the AHL somewhere is garbage. He's an AHL guy anywhere.

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07-17-2017, 01:58 PM
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Well all UFA Hobey Bakers end up on the Rangers

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Well all UFA Hobey Bakers end up on the Rangers
Yeah all of...Jimmy Vesey and Chris Drury.

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Yeah all of...Jimmy Vesey and Chris Drury.
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I know the popular thing to do right now is to bash the Avs for any and all reasons, but there isn't a defense in the league that Butcher walks onto, not even the Avs, and not even if Zadorov heads to Russia. He's a project prospect. A good, but not great, senior season doesn't change that. He'd likely be battling Bigras and Siemens for top 4 minutes in San Antonio.

So your whole idea that he's walking away from sure-fire NHL minutes to play in the AHL somewhere is garbage. He's an AHL guy anywhere.
How in the world did he not have a great Sr year?

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How in the world did he not have a great Sr year?
Just the context. If he did it as a freshman, I'd consider it great as far as NHL prospects go. To me, it's similar to a 20 year old CHLer racking up a bunch of points. It's definitely better than not, but nothing so amazing as to guarantee success.

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