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Okay we've got the coaches all figured out. Now how about that one last trade Chayka keeps taking about?

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Okay we've got the coaches all figured out. Now how about that one last trade Chayka keeps taking about?
It's gotta be for a number 2 RD. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.

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It's gotta be for a number 2 RD. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
I have a feeling it is going to be for a right handed winger. Just a hunch

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Are you comparing Duke with the likes of Crosby, Malkin, Kessel? Stop being a homer. Duke is not in the same class. Never has been and never will be.
No.... he is the same class of player to thrive in that system.

BTW.... you are the LAST person who should be throwing out the "homer" badge at anyone.

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Except that his best year's results was under the exact same system as last year's.

It's all up to Duclair. Tocchet may be able to do a better job motivating Duke than Tippett did, but in the end it's the player's responsibility to sort out his own headspace.
True..... he had the same "system" both years but got thrown around on different lines the second year.

After coming back from Tucson he was playing much better, but was getting snake bit all to hell. But the difference I noticed was he didn't completely quit on himself.

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It's gotta be for a number 2 RD. It's the only thing that makes sense in my opinion.
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I have a feeling it is going to be for a right handed winger. Just a hunch
I hope the "big" trade is for a RHS (#2/#1 RW), but we still need that #2 RHD as well. Perhaps the "big" trade will include both? I'm not sure what we'd have to give up in such a move.

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I could see Scott Allen advocating for Demers. That'd be good with me if the acquisition cost is low.

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Yep, my money is on Demers.

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I think Chayka's looking at a LW for RW trade. I'm guessing that it won't come together this year.

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This may not be well received because he's not known for offense, but what about Erik Gudbranson? Shoots right, but more heavy hitting, stay-at-home D-man. He's mean as **** too.

We've got OEL who's the jack of all trade, exceeds in offense.
Chychrun who leans more toward the offensive side, but also plays a sound defense
and we've got Goose, who plays pretty evenly both ways, maybe leaning more towards defense.

Nik Hjalmarsson known for shutdown role.
Schenn is mainly known for his shutdown role.
And if we had Gudbranson, he will be known mainly for his shutdown role.

Clendening and KConn as extras.

So 3 defensemen capable of offense and defense, 3 defensemen who focus mainly on shut down and physicality, and 2 fringe extras. With our high skilled forwards on offense, it might be nice to add Gudbranson who can provide more security on defense, and who will protect his teammates. I think he would be an ideal Murphy replacement, and still young.

Was offered to Florida for (of all people) Jason Demers, but Demers rejected the trade. So VAN is open to trading him. I really like the idea.

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This may not be well received because he's not known for offense, but what about Erik Gudbranson? Shoots right, but more heavy hitting, stay-at-home D-man. He's mean as **** too.

We've got OEL who's the jack of all trade, exceeds in offense.
Chychrun who leans more toward the offensive side, but also plays a sound defense
and we've got Goose, who plays pretty evenly both ways, maybe leaning more towards defense.

Nik Hjalmarsson known for shutdown role.
Schenn is mainly known for his shutdown role.
And if we had Gudbranson, he will be known mainly for his shutdown role.

Clendening and KConn as extras.

So 3 defensemen capable of offense and defense, 3 defensemen who focus mainly on shut down and physicality, and 2 fringe extras. With our high skilled forwards on offense, it might be nice to add Gudbranson who can provide more security on defense, and who will protect his teammates. I think he would be an ideal Murphy replacement, and still young.

Was offered to Florida for (of all people) Jason Demers, but Demers rejected the trade. So VAN is open to trading him. I really like the idea.
If the cost is low it could be a good add, but I don't think we got clandening to have him as an extra.

I think any move we make has Schenn going the other way, and is Gubranson a big upgrade over Schenn? I know the general opinion of him here is pretty low, but I really like what he brings as a bottom pairing physical shutdown guy.

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If the cost is low it could be a good add, but I don't think we got clandening to have him as an extra.

I think any move we make has Schenn going the other way, and is Gubranson a big upgrade over Schenn? I know the general opinion of him here is pretty low, but I really like what he brings as a bottom pairing physical shutdown guy.
I was actually very impressed with Schenn. Any Ex-Toronto player has a bad rep around HF. Phil Kessel did too. I was expecting a traffic cone, and what I saw was a motivated, hard hitting, and smart defensemen. Love him as a bottom guy. That being said, I would probably trade him for Gudbranson if I needed to, but I'm not entirely convinced Clendening is going to be full time. If he was brought here for a full time role, then I don't imagine we're shopping for defense at all. So I would love to have Gudbranson and Schenn.

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I was actually very impressed with Schenn. Any Ex-Toronto player has a bad rep around HF. Phil Kessel did too. I was expecting a traffic cone, and what I saw was a motivated, hard hitting, and smart defensemen. Love him as a bottom guy. That being said, I would probably trade him for Gudbranson if I needed to, but I'm not entirely convinced Clendening is going to be full time. If he was brought here for a full time role, then I don't imagine we're shopping for defense at all. So I would love to have Gudbranson and Schenn.
Agree completely on Schenn, I was expecting Grossman 2.0, instead we got a solid defensive physical presence for our bottom pair, with underrated skating and puck skills imo.

If the plan isn't for Clandening to be an everyday player then yeah sign me up, I just get the feeling that one of our selling points to him was playing time. I could very well be wrong, and in that scenario I'd agree, pull the trigger on Gudbranson as long as his contract is reasonable and the cost isn't too high.

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Agree completely on Schenn, I was expecting Grossman 2.0, instead we got a solid defensive physical presence for our bottom pair, with underrated skating and puck skills imo.

If the plan isn't for Clandening to be an everyday player then yeah sign me up, I just get the feeling that one of our selling points to him was playing time. I could very well be wrong, and in that scenario I'd agree, pull the trigger on Gudbranson as long as his contract is reasonable and the cost isn't too high.
I'd be fine with adding Gudbranson as well. The Coyotes can probably carry two D-men as healthy scratches and switch them in as needed (depending on how they do and the opponents faced). If one of Calndening or Gudbranson excels, consider moving the other at some point (in a larger trade package)

Connauton is pretty much an injury fill-in, so he'll probably get a fair amount of ice-time anyway

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In a perfect world Gudbranson pulls a Schenn and becomes decent. In a perfect world Schenn does not regress to his norm and continues to be decent. If either doesn't happen, it's still pretty ugly. Especially with Clendening being a total wild card.

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In a perfect world Gudbranson pulls a Schenn and becomes decent. In a perfect world Schenn does not regress to his norm and continues to be decent. If either doesn't happen, it's still pretty ugly. Especially with Clendening being a total wild card.
Did Schenn become decent though, or was he always decent? I didn't follow him much before he came here but it seems like he could have just been getting crapped on because of his high draft status and him not developing into a 1st pairing defender.

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He's hardly the first decent player who got publically slagged for his draft status and contract.

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Did Schenn become decent though, or was he always decent? I didn't follow him much before he came here but it seems like he could have just been getting crapped on because of his high draft status and him not developing into a 1st pairing defender.
Prior to us signing him, I was interested in adding him to the team, so he must not have been too bad (for what my opinion is worth--which is probably not much ).

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This may not be well received because he's not known for offense, but what about Erik Gudbranson? Shoots right, but more heavy hitting, stay-at-home D-man. He's mean as **** too.
He's a stay at home guy because he can't complete a pass out of the zone to save his own life. I'd rather play Clendening full time.

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Prior to us signing him, I was interested in adding him to the team, so he must not have been too bad (for what my opinion is worth--which is probably not much ).
Don't sell yourself short, I think many (not here in board 40) see his high draft pedigree and think because he's not a top pairing dman he's a full bust. It's hard for some to see the middle ground that exists between out of the nhl bad, and just not what he was projected to be.

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I think any move we make has Schenn going the other way, and is Gubranson a big upgrade over Schenn? I know the general opinion of him here is pretty low, but I really like what he brings as a bottom pairing physical shutdown guy.
Doubt he's an upgrade. General opinion would be incorrect, in that case.

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Agree completely on Schenn,
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Did Schenn become decent though, or was he always decent? I didn't follow him much before he came here but it seems like he could have just been getting crapped on because of his high draft status and him not developing into a 1st pairing defender.
Always decent imo.

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He's hardly the first decent player who got publically slagged for his draft status and contract.
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Prior to us signing him, I was interested in adding him to the team, so he must not have been too bad (for what my opinion is worth--which is probably not much ).
Your opinion was spot on, imo

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Schenn didn't become okay until LA.

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Sounds like we're still looking for another center.

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Sounds like we're still looking for another center.
I think that's a great idea. What makes you think we are?

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Schenn was better than OK in Toronto but when the trade for JVR was a possibility see ya. He wasn't what was expected from a 5th overall pick but he was a decent player. I thought he could have used some AHL time to work on skating and positioning but he was still fine.
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Sounds like we're still looking for another center.
Richardson must be done for then? I can't think of another reason.

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