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C Michael McLeod - Mississauga Steelheads, OHL (2016, 12th, NJD) Part II

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03-21-2017, 09:08 AM
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Adjusted for age its about on par with what he did last year. Last year's age and league adjusted ppg was 1.14, this year is 1.11 (with one game left). To keep on par with that, he would need to put up roughly between 110 to 115 over 68 games next season. If he was to play 56 games (because at the very least he should miss some games for NHL camp and WJC), he would need around 95-100. This isn't a situation like Kyrou or Cliff Pu, where their rapid improvement in ppg actually has improved relative to what you expect will naturally occur as a player gets older in junior.

His numbers are fine this year, but I don't think they really move the needle one way or the other on his ability to be a 2nd line or higher center.
I agree with this post.

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03-21-2017, 11:02 AM
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I mean, his draft +1 numbers are identical to Horvat's. He also didn't play on a super team like Bo. Not saying he's gonna be better but the comp is interesting

Well the difference is that Horvat had no where near the physical traits that Mcleod does. He was an average skater and had to rely on his head to score. Mcleod on the other hand can just blow by the defence and crash the net with his combo of speed/size. It's a good trick on the junior level, but doesn't have a lot of replay value in the pros.

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03-21-2017, 11:10 AM
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I know they're different players but it's hilarious to see the arguments against McLeod are mirror opposites of the ones certain posters used against Zacha last year.

"Zacha's game will translate well to the pros"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN POINTS DON'T MATTER HE'S NOT PUTTING UP POINTS WHO CARES ABOUT STYLE"

"McLeod is really putting up a lot of points"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN STYLE DOESN'T MATTER THERE'S NO WAY HIS GAME WILL TRANSLATE TO THE PROS WHO CARES ABOUT POINTS"

It's almost as if people make up their mind first and then pick and choose which arguments they like.

Imagine a world where different players have different development paths, where a 19 year old isn't defined by the success or failure of other 19 year olds that came before him....what a world that would be.

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03-21-2017, 12:56 PM
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I know they're different players but it's hilarious to see the arguments against McLeod are mirror opposites of the ones certain posters used against Zacha last year.

"Zacha's game will translate well to the pros"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN POINTS DON'T MATTER HE'S NOT PUTTING UP POINTS WHO CARES ABOUT STYLE"

"McLeod is really putting up a lot of points"
"WHAT DO YOU MEAN STYLE DOESN'T MATTER THERE'S NO WAY HIS GAME WILL TRANSLATE TO THE PROS WHO CARES ABOUT POINTS"

It's almost as if people make up their mind first and then pick and choose which arguments they like.

Imagine a world where different players have different development paths, where a 19 year old isn't defined by the success or failure of other 19 year olds that came before him....what a world that would be.
Basically the same is said of both prospects. Big guys who can skate but don't have a whole lot of offensive potential.

McLeod's part of his game that will translate is the same that translates for Zacha.

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03-21-2017, 01:16 PM
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Basically the same is said of both prospects. Big guys who can skate but don't have a whole lot of offensive potential.

McLeod's part of his game that will translate is the same that translates for Zacha.
They aren't similar players whatsoever. Completely different skill sets.

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03-21-2017, 01:28 PM
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They aren't similar players whatsoever. Completely different skill sets.
They're different, in the same way all prospects are different. But the final projection is that of big guys with good skating but limited scoring potential.

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They're different, in the same way all prospects are different. But the final projection is that of big guys with good skating but limited scoring potential.
No. Zacha was a player with tons of natural ability who was very raw. Enormous ceiling, uncertainty as to how much of it would be actualized. McLeod was a "safe" pick because of his speed and work ethic, with questions as to how high his ceiling is.

They're completely different prospects.

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They're different, in the same way all prospects are different. But the final projection is that of big guys with good skating but limited scoring potential.
Zacha was never considered to have 'limited scoring potential'. The question marks were always about whether he could translate his raw skill, which he has a ton of, into a good/great scorer in the NHL.

McLeod has always been considered a safe NHLer with a lower ceiling.

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03-21-2017, 04:39 PM
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I mean, his draft +1 numbers are identical to Horvat's. He also didn't play on a super team like Bo. Not saying he's gonna be better but the comp is interesting
Horvat was also stuck on the 2nd line in London because they had so many good players. So instead, he was matched against the other teams top line because he was the most suited for that task.

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03-21-2017, 05:01 PM
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Horvat was also stuck on the 2nd line in London because they had so many good players. So instead, he was matched against the other teams top line because he was the most suited for that task.
Maybe when they were home. You think opposing coaches put their best players against Domi or Horvat ?

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03-21-2017, 05:45 PM
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Maybe when they were home. You think opposing coaches put their best players against Domi or Horvat ?
Well Hunter certainly matched him as much as possible against the other teams top lines, playing the tough minutes, taking the defensive faceoffs. He was considered one of the best defensive players in the league for a reason.

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Big fan of Michael McLeod, jealous the Devils got him (and a bonus third!) at the draft.

If he improves his shot a little more, and slows his game down on occasion in the O-zone, I see his ceiling as a potential top 6 C with excellent defensive ability, ala Ryan Kesler with slightly better vision.

Would love for McLeod to get some games on the first line in the AHL next year, and an expanded role in Canada's top 6 at the WJCs. He should get the standard 9 NHL games to start the year, but wouldn't want him playing more NHL games than that next year, because a prospect like him needs to see top line minutes all year at this stage of development, and he won't get that in Jersey in 2017.

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03-22-2017, 08:54 AM
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McLeod would likely be able to earn a spot in New Jersey next year with his speed and work ethic alone. It also kinda makes sense that he could help the team, since Hynes seems so intent on playing one of Zacha/Henrique at wing.

A line of McLeod, Wood, and Blandisi would be an absolute nightmare to play against. But yeah, I'm more inclined to give him the 9 games and send him back to junior.

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They're different, in the same way all prospects are different. But the final projection is that of big guys with good skating but limited scoring potential.
this is the most watered-down analysis i've seen lol.

"yea they're different but final projection is both breathe so they're the same"

i genuinely don't believe you follow either of these prospects in any capacity. in terms of how they were perceived at draft...
Zacha=raw, physical, skilled, scoring
McLeod=speedy, defensive, workhorse

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03-23-2017, 11:51 AM
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Underrated. Best skater in his draft. Hope he lights up the playoffs and proves the people saying "third liner" wrong.

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Underrated. Best skater in his draft. Hope he lights up the playoffs and proves the people saying "third liner" wrong.
He's definitely up there. I'd say Chychrun and Kyrou give him a run for his money though.

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I don't expect anything less than an extremely strong playoff performance from him.

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