The NHL has a deadline is place. If Fehr believes it's a fake deadline, I won't be surprised if he continues to play games with the league. It's too much to expect Fehr and Bettman to come to a deal before a deadline so the deadline is going to be a mess. If only they could both be reasonable.
Fehr's strategy: Offer unreasonable proposals right up to cancellation deadline, reject each of NHL's proposal
Bettmans strategy: Offer a more reasonable proposal, then concede things very, very slowly, no dramatic changes
Well, what he's doing (negotiating parties in separate locations) is called "classic mediation." I can't say for certain, but it seems to me that if that was how things were normally done in mediation, it wouldn't need that descriptor. It would just be called "mediation."
I was wondering when the semantics argument of the day was coming...
Guess it depends whether he meant it as "prototypical, representative, standard, time-honored, typical, usual" or "archaic, obsolete, olden, outdated, vintage"
So the PA is mad because they think that with the disclaimer deadline passing, the league's demeanour changed, particularly with the issue of the HRR penalties. But how is it that the PA attributes the HRR penalties to the disclaimer deadline when those HRR penalty changes were in the proposal they received last week BEFORE the deadline had even come and gone?
It seems like the only reason the issue came up after the deadline is because it took the PA that long to notice it.
Based on Millard and Kyper's description of the PA attitude right now, it seems more than anything the players are mad because they have to wipe some egg off their face because of the decisions they made with their leverage in the process.
Did Strickland give his source? Lavoie had a similar information in early December that the players would get to vote on an offer. I believe we never got the source and the news died down... I assume it must come from the PA's Executive Board because they would have the authority to force a vote by the membership on a proposal? Please, we want that source!
I think we just mistranslated the Lavoie article last month. I don't think that the vote in December was actually ever a thing.
I'll be in the city tomorrow. Heading to the boat show at the Javits. I think I might head to the NHL offices and just toss an old Rangers sweater on the floor. Why not?
I'm serious I'll be there... PM me if you're going to go.
Whether or not they play this year, the NHL is in serious serious trouble. Look how long it took mlb to recover from the stoppage in 1994 and NHL is nowhere near as popular as MLB
I see why they wouldn't have wanted that before because it would've weakened their position, but I see no reason why they wouldn't take a vote to help stop a season being lost.
Standing on the sidewalk in New York City with a non-vulgar sign is 100% legal my friend.
Certainly is...
When Rangers fans held that little fire Sather rally a few years back there were plenty of signs, some of them not so nive either. Security was there leughing with them.
Hell I will go stand outside the NHL offices from 7-9:30 tomorrow night with a sign that says "Devils should be playing the Penguins right now. You left us out in the cold."
Did Strickland give his source? Lavoie had a similar information in early December that the players would get to vote on an offer. I believe we never got the source and the news died down... I assume it must come from the PA's Executive Board because they would have the authority to force a vote by the membership on a proposal? Please, we want that source!
If Laviole had that too I'd be more apt to believe it but at this point I trust Fehr and the PA hard liners so little I think the vote would be rigged, if possible. Or the final offer would be made to look worse than it is so it gets voted down.
People saying security will have a problem, etc, obviously don't live in America, or forget the fact that we have the right to peaceful protests in America.
When Rangers fans held that little fire Sather rally a few years back there were plenty of signs, some of them not so nive either. Security was there leughing with them.
I will seriously work hand in hand with Ranger fans if we can all organize a group to demonstrate...
THAT is how upset I am... I will work with Ranger fans.
Did Strickland give his source? Lavoie had a similar information in early December that the players would get to vote on an offer. I believe we never got the source and the news died down... I assume it must come from the PA's Executive Board because they would have the authority to force a vote by the membership on a proposal? Please, we want that source!
I believe Lavoie's information was that the players would have 3 options, one of which was to vote on what the current proposal was at the time.
Hell I will go stand outside the NHL offices from 7-9:30 tomorrow night with a sign that says "Devils should be playing the Penguins right now. You left us out in the cold."
The only year the players on average ever took a pay cut was after the last lockout, where they were offered better and still didn't play the whole year. It only took 3 seasons for the average salary to get back to almost EXACTLY where it was the year before the lockout (a record high, and then continued to increase by $14 million/team over the next 4 years.
The only reason players would feel hard-done by is if they think they have some inalienable right to always make more money, even if it jeopardizes the existence of shaky franchises. In which case Bettman put them through an entire three seasons of not making more money while insuring that no teams folded. Which means the league maintained the same number of jobs for players. While overall increasing salaries significantly...at the expense of owners' profits.
He hasn't always been honest with the players either. the PA offered a 24% rollback in salaries in exchange for no cap...Bettman said thanks, we'll take that, AND implement the cap. That kind of thing will kill labor relations.
Edit: oops, haha.
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