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Winners team, that never came back

Now im reflecting on Blackhawks. There is many talk about this year performance. And many of them say, that this team will come back. That the window is not closed yet.

Now lets dig in the history. Could you name a team, that was in similar position? That had some Cups, after that had some success (in regular season), but never really come back to their position.

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Probably the Oilers after 1992.

Two years removed from their 5th Cup in 7 years, they made 2 more conference finals. But after a surprise lost to Minnesota in 1991 and getting swept by (ironically) Chicago, they basically fell off the NHL landscape for 4 years.

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Probably the Oilers after 1992.

Two years removed from their 5th Cup in 7 years, they made 2 more conference finals. But after a surprise lost to Minnesota in 1991 and getting swept by (ironically) Chicago, they basically fell off the NHL landscape for 4 years.
The one where they lost to Minnesota in '90-'91, that's when Edmonton still had Mark Messier, Steve Smith, Glenn Anderson, Adam Graves, Charlie Huddy, Grant Fuhr, Dave Brown and Kari Takko.

'91-'92 was when Edmonton now had Vincent Damphousse, Dave Manson, Bernie Nicholls, David Maley, Steven Rice, Scott Thornton, Luke Richardson, Scott Mellanby and Ron Tugnutt for a near complete roster overhaul to replace the 1980s Oilers.

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Now im reflecting on Blackhawks. There is many talk about this year performance. And many of them say, that this team will come back. That the window is not closed yet.

Now lets dig in the history. Could you name a team, that was in similar position? That had some Cups, after that had some success (in regular season), but never really come back to their position.
The recent Detroit Red Wings come to mind. After winning the 2008 Stanley Cup, they lost to Pittsburgh in the 2009 SCF. Since then, they've gone through a slow and gradual decline, culminating this year with their first non-playoff season since 1990 (not counting the 2004-05 lockout).

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Islanders dynasty. Five consecutive trips to the Finals. After that, nothing to cheer about for their fanbase.

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Islanders dynasty. Five consecutive trips to the Finals. After that, nothing to cheer about for their fanbase.
Was that the same team (or at least almost the same), that won the Cups?

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Was that the same team (or at least almost the same), that won the Cups?
Sure. Most of their core stuck around for a few more seasons after 1984. I believe Potvin, Smith and Trottier played there until the late 1980's. Gillies last season there was 1986. Bossy retired after the 1987 season.

They still had the same players, but didn't have the juice anymore to outlast teams like Montreal and Philly in the East.

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Habs after 1979. Yes they won in 86, but there was very little left from the 79 team on the 86 team. They had some great regular seasons in the early 80's but some really big disappointments in the playoffs against teams that really had no business beating them. Personally I chalk it up to a lack of clutch goaltending between Dryden retiring and Roy arriving.

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Maybe an underrated one that no one talks about but the Tampa Bay Lightning. Won the cup with a lot of star power in 2004. Lost a year in the lockout and only qualified for the playoffs three times in the next eight years.

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That's true, they went into the abyss until 2004..

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The one where they lost to Minnesota in '90-'91, that's when Edmonton still had Mark Messier, Steve Smith, Glenn Anderson, Adam Graves, Charlie Huddy, Grant Fuhr, Dave Brown and Kari Takko.
Nothing says "Oilers dynasty" like...

Hah, I was an Oilers fan then and I couldn't even remember that Kari Takko was on the team.

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Maybe an underrated one that no one talks about but the Tampa Bay Lightning. Won the cup with a lot of star power in 2004. Lost a year in the lockout and only qualified for the playoffs three times in the next eight years.
Losing Khabibulin really hurt them, they went through a circus of downright awful goaltending for the first few post-lockout seasons (between 2005-06 and 2007-08 eight different goaltenders played for them and not a single one managed to get even a .900 sv%) and then Richards was traded away, Boyle left and Lecavalier got injured and their window closed.

Give them a decent goaltender and they'd likely still be a major contender in those three seasons.

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Was that the same team (or at least almost the same), that won the Cups?
As mentioned above, much of the same team stuck around for a bit after 1984. It wasn't a major overhaul until the later 1980s. But in all honesty, after 1984 they just got older. It takes a LOT out of a team when they win 19 straight playoff series. That's a lot of mustard and a lot of short summers as well as two Canada Cups for some of them too. It will drain you. It happened to Trottier and even Billy Smith was pretty much done after 1984 although he played until 1989. However, it was a much different team starting as early as 1985. They only had 86 points and the whole "drive for 5" was over with. If anything, you could call them deflated.

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This thread screams the 2006 Canes. I know the 2004 Lightning were mentioned and all, but with them at least they made the postseason the following two years (and let's not forget there was a full lost season in between as well) and they were competitive in 2003. With the Canes this is a team that was bad beforehand and didn't make the playoffs afterward until 2009, then never since.

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Now im reflecting on Blackhawks. There is many talk about this year performance. And many of them say, that this team will come back. That the window is not closed yet.

Now lets dig in the history. Could you name a team, that was in similar position? That had some Cups, after that had some success (in regular season), but never really come back to their position.
I honestly believed the answer would be the Pittsburgh Penguins. They seemed to be on the cusp of a hockey dynasty in 2009. However, bad luck, playoff disappointment, and Crosby's concussion issues prevented that from happening. I was suprised when the Pens exorcised that demon in 2016.

To a lesser extent, the Coloroado Avalanche after the 2000-01 season. Roy was playing until 2003, and the Avs were favorites to win the Cup in 2003-04, after signing free agents Kariya and Selanne. The Avalanche never really would contend again, the turning point was perhaps the infamous "Statue of Liberty" pose by Roy in the 2002 Red Wings-Avalanche Conference Final.

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Yeah, this would pretty much be the Grand Daddy of them all given the Dynasty of the 60's. The seeds of their destruction planted early in that decade when Stafford Smythe & Harold Ballard began selling off assets, the farms... and less than a month after their final Cup in 67 left orbit altogether. Some mini re-orbits mid to late 70's, early 90's & 2000's but pretty much a foregone conclusion that those teams simply didnt have the horses to do any major damage.

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The Dallas Stars won the Stanley Cup in 1999 and almost defended it in 2000, losing in 6 games to a strong New Jersey Devils team. After that they didn't even make the conference final until 2008 (and have not made it that far since either), including several bad first round losses where they were favored.

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Devils after 2003. Such a great team from 1995-2003 but hardly anything since for the team.

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The Dallas Stars won the Stanley Cup in 1999 and almost defended it in 2000, losing in 6 games to a strong New Jersey Devils team. After that they didn't even make the conference final until 2008 (and have not made it that far since either), including several bad first round losses where they were favored.
Not surprising considering how old that Dallas roster was. Though, they had some good teams after 2001, but couldn't go far in the playoffs. Giguere stopped them from going to the Finals in 2003. Dallas would likely beat Minnesota that year.

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The one where they lost to Minnesota in '90-'91, that's when Edmonton still had Mark Messier, Steve Smith, Glenn Anderson, Adam Graves, Charlie Huddy, Grant Fuhr, Dave Brown and Kari Takko.

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Nothing says "Oilers dynasty" like...

Hah, I was an Oilers fan then and I couldn't even remember that Kari Takko was on the team.
Kari Takko was a mid-season pickup in 1991 while Grant Fuhr was suspended; Bill Ranford was still with the Oilers.

Speaking of the Oilers dynasty, 1994 Rangers won the both the Presidents Trophy and the Stanley Cup, but were never really a threat afterwards.

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