Trading next year's 1st might just light a fire under management's ass and get them off of the "tank for picks" mode. This can not go on for much longer before the team loses the window of opportunity.
It'd be a pretty balanced D-core which has a nice variety of skills which should also have a nice balance in terms of solid defensive skill and increased physical play.
Yeah that would be a pretty solid back end. No one that's a true #1 but similar to VAN's approach, there are probably 5 top 4 guys in there.
Garrison is really intriguing and I really want the Oilers to take a look at him but I think he might get an offer at just over $4M x 4 years, not sure I'd want to go longer than 2 years on what he will be asking for.
Yeah that would be a pretty solid back end. No one that's a true #1 but similar to VAN's approach, there are probably 5 top 4 guys in there.
Garrison is really intriguing and I really want the Oilers to take a look at him but I think he might get an offer at just over $4M x 4 years, not sure I'd want to go longer than 2 years on what he will be asking for.
He would want more security than two years if it was only going to be 4 mil.
If we wanted him for only two years we would have to up the offer to 5 mil. JMO.
Yeah that would be a pretty solid back end. No one that's a true #1 but similar to VAN's approach, there are probably 5 top 4 guys in there.
Garrison is really intriguing and I really want the Oilers to take a look at him but I think he might get an offer at just over $4M x 4 years, not sure I'd want to go longer than 2 years on what he will be asking for.
I think that's all we can pretty much hope for at this point. Finding a #1 guy isn't exactly easy, so might as well build a realistic defense that will work.
Garrison is really intriguing and I really want the Oilers to take a look at him but I think he might get an offer at just over $4M x 4 years, not sure I'd want to go longer than 2 years on what he will be asking for.
You know before I'd have said that too. But after looking at what guys like Volchenkov/Martin/Michalek got, I wouldn't be too against this.
Garrison is a physical D-man who can play tough minutes. Add in his big shot and solid transition game, I think he'd be worth around $4M/yr.
At some point we're going to have to fix our D, I'd rather pay a guy like Garrison $4M/yr, who's game is mostly based on rock solid D and physical play than say a guy like Widemen.
Smid-Petry
Schultz-Garrison
That to me is a super solid top-4 which is physical and defensively is really good.
Add in a guy like Stralman who has a good breakout pass and a big shot from the point for the PP, it could be a nicely rounded D.
More importantly, no more Potter/Sutton as a regular.
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Reality is we're not going to get a 1A, top pairing elite D-man through the draft any time soon, or through free agency. We would have to be very lucky with Suter or Weber or we'd have to pull of another Pronger trade. Both of those are pretty unrealistic, so the best route to go is adding two more guys.
Garrison or Carle are the first on my list. Both could probably be had for >4.5 million over 4 years and are established, top 4 defensemen on playoff teams. Gagner and Paajarvi are possible trade pieces that could land us another good, young D-man.
We have Klefbom playing well in the SEL and hopefully headed to OKC for next year. The key is to be patient with him, because it will take some time to get used to the pro north American game. By filling up the D-core with quality top 4 guys, he will have to play well to earn his spot, like Petry did. Rushing this guy will be detrimental to his development.
He would want more security than two years if it was only going to be 4 mil.
If we wanted him for only two years we would have to up the offer to 5 mil. JMO.
Yeah that's probably true.
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I think that's all we can pretty much hope for at this point. Finding a #1 guy isn't exactly easy, so might as well build a realistic defense that will work.
Yeah, we can all dream about and propose the whole "sign Suter for $7M and convince Weber to come" stuff but in the real world that won't happen. Building a solid top 4 that brings some of everything to the table is the most realistic way the Oilers are going to improve their defense.
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You know before I'd have said that too. But after looking at what guys like Volchenkov/Martin/Michalek got, I wouldn't be too against this.
Garrison is a physical D-man who can play tough minutes. Add in his big shot and solid transition game, I think he'd be worth around $4M/yr.
At some point we're going to have to fix our D, I'd rather pay a guy like Garrison $4M/yr, who's game is mostly based on rock solid D and physical play than say a guy like Widemen.
Smid-Petry
Schultz-Garrison
That to me is a super solid top-4 which is physical and defensively is really good.
Add in a guy like Stralman who has a good breakout pass and a big shot from the point for the PP, it could be a nicely rounded D.
More importantly, no more Potter/Sutton as a regular.
For some reason I always forget to think about contracts in relation to the cap under which they were signed. At the time $4M/year for Gilbert seemed crazy but under the current cap (especially if it goes up next year/after the CBA) I'd probably be comfortable offering Garrison $16.8M/4 years.
Trading next year's 1st might just light a fire under management's ass and get them off of the "tank for picks" mode. This can not go on for much longer before the team loses the window of opportunity.
exactly! then they would be forced to develop the picks we have and build that championship team they say they can build! i like the idea, especially if guys like Aberg, Collberg, Finn, Koekkoek, Dalton Thrower, Olli Maata, Frk, Severson, Hertl, Pouliot...a couple of these guys could really add to the depth, and if we're really lucky, one or more may develop into a star forward or stud d-man.
as far as d-man Jason Garrison goes, i like his size and he seems to be sound defensively, but i'd exercise caution before laying down the big bucks and long term for a guy who didn't get many points or goals before this season....maybe this year is a fluke? and he turns back into a pumpkin at midnight next season.
Trading next year's 1st might just light a fire under management's ass and get them off of the "tank for picks" mode. This can not go on for much longer before the team loses the window of opportunity.
What are you going to get for next years first? It took 2 firsts to get Phil Kessel and that didnt work out very well for the Leafs. I dont see this window of opportunity that people keep talking about, if it's there it hasnt begun to open yet so drastic moves seem a little premature in my book.
Reality is we're not going to get a 1A, top pairing elite D-man through the draft any time soon, or through free agency. We would have to be very lucky with Suter or Weber or we'd have to pull of another Pronger trade. Both of those are pretty unrealistic, so the best route to go is adding two more guys.
Garrison or Carle are the first on my list. Both could probably be had for >4.5 million over 4 years and are established, top 4 defensemen on playoff teams. Gagner and Paajarvi are possible trade pieces that could land us another good, young D-man.
We have Klefbom playing well in the SEL and hopefully headed to OKC for next year. The key is to be patient with him, because it will take some time to get used to the pro north American game. By filling up the D-core with quality top 4 guys, he will have to play well to earn his spot, like Petry did. Rushing this guy will be detrimental to his development.
I agree with what you said but when Klefbom comes over two seasons from now he should play one year in the AHL that way we are not feeding him to the wolves.
I would like the Garrison signing as we could then get rid of Peckham and Potter and give one spot to either Plante or Tuebert or whom ever earns it. Could be Fedurn also.
Even trading Peckham and Potter for picks I would be ok with as we would be deeper up front even if Whitney goes down. If Whitney can get back to the Whitney of old our defense would rock.
Here are the non draft things I think will happen this off season.
1) It will be announced that Tambelilni was quietly signed to a 3 year extension during this past year.
2) Tom Renney will be signed to a 2 year deal.
3) The Oilers will suggest strongly that Horcoff give up the captaincy and give it to Eberle or Hall. However it be set up so that Horcoff voluntarily gives it up and he will be lauded as a great team guy and a beacon of purity for sacrificing himself for the betterment of the team. Teflon Shawn will come out smelling like a rose as usual.
4) The Oilers will sign Shea Weber to a huge offer sheet.
Reality is we're not going to get a 1A, top pairing elite D-man through the draft any time soon, or through free agency. We would have to be very lucky with Suter or Weber or we'd have to pull of another Pronger trade. Both of those are pretty unrealistic, so the best route to go is adding two more guys.
Garrison or Carle are the first on my list. Both could probably be had for >4.5 million over 4 years and are established, top 4 defensemen on playoff teams. Gagner and Paajarvi are possible trade pieces that could land us another good, young D-man.
We have Klefbom playing well in the SEL and hopefully headed to OKC for next year. The key is to be patient with him, because it will take some time to get used to the pro north American game. By filling up the D-core with quality top 4 guys, he will have to play well to earn his spot, like Petry did. Rushing this guy will be detrimental to his development.
Mostly this but hopefully we sign Schultz as well..Didn't give up anything except money and we get this...Looks a little better
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Garrison-Schultz
Whitney-Schultz
Sutton
Let's face it..Peckham, Potter, Barker, etc..don't cut it. Time to revamp..for the better.
Mostly this but hopefully we sign Schultz as well..Didn't give up anything except money and we get this...Looks a little better
Smid-Petry
Garrison-Schultz
Whitney-Schultz
Sutton
Let's face it..Peckham, Potter, Barker, etc..don't cut it. Time to revamp..for the better.
Well thankfully Barker is gone. He has to be signed at equal to or more money than his current salary.
I dont know what they do with Peckham but Potter is got that 2 year extension, but its a one-way. Hes going to be around for awhile.
Well thankfully Barker is gone. He has to be signed at equal to or more money than his current salary.
I dont know what they do with Peckham but Potter is got that 2 year extension, but its a one-way. Hes going to be around for awhile.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if they put him on waivers and play him in the minors next year, he would just make his NHL salary down there. If my understanding of 1-way contracts is way off someone please let me know.
Wouldn't surprise me at all if they put him on waivers and play him in the minors next year, he would just make his NHL salary down there. If my understanding of 1-way contracts is way off someone please let me know.
Thats basically it. Hes not terrible to have as your 7th dman. But I think at some point he is going to have to go onto waivers.
Altough, Potter would be a pretty hot commodity..someone would probably snatch him off waivers.
15. This week, Hockey Canada begins contacting players for the Worlds. (After Anaheim finished its home schedule Sunday night, Ryan Getzlaf said he thinks both he and Corey Perry will play.) Don't be surprised if Kevin Lowe waits to see if [Eastern Conference Coach] gets into the playoffs for the coaching job.
Read the article to see who Friedman thinks Lowe is waiting on.
Does that have implications for the Oilers next coach?
And Getzlaf at the Worlds eh? Good time for RNH and Eberle to get chummy with the guy.
If it was straight from Twitter I wouldn't care about generating these guys hits, but since it's his own blog on CBC.ca I thought I'd direct some hits his way.
Garrison as a 4-5 million dollar UFA signing is guaranteed to be a failure. The guy screams out career year pay day, he's done little to nothing before this season. He may be a good character guy and have a good shot, and his young age (entering his prime) is a plus, but someone is going to overpay and someone is going to be disappointed, I just hope it's not the Oilers. Looks like a 4-5 defenseman to me, nothing more.
Garrison as a 4-5 million dollar UFA signing is guaranteed to be a failure. The guy screams out career year pay day, he's done little to nothing before this season. He may be a good character guy and have a good shot, and his young age (entering his prime) is a plus, but someone is going to overpay and someone is going to be disappointed, I just hope it's not the Oilers. Looks like a 4-5 defenseman to me, nothing more.
I somewhat agree but if you give him 1-2 years it's not much of a risk. Same can be said about Wideman. I'd be more worried about giving Wideman a big contract than Garrison.
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Wouldn't mind Hunter myself. I just don't see Washington letting him go after half a season.
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