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04-03-2012, 12:01 AM
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Let's put him on the NY Rangers, which is definitely a SC contending team this year:

PlacePlayer TeamPos GP G A P
1Marian GaborikNYRR79403474
2Brad RichardsNYRC79253964
3Ryan CallahanNYRR73282553
4Derek StepanNYRC79173350
5Andrew LaddWPGL79252146
6Michael Del ZottoNYRD74103141
7Carl HagelinNYRL61142438

That slots him into the NYR's top six. Ladd's had a bit of an off year in point production, but in my opinion, he's a top-6 player in the NHL. Note too that his point total last year would put him solidly in the top 3 in point production on the Rangers.
I don't know of another hard working, gritty, leader that has scored 25+ goals for his team two years in a row that gets less respect.

A lot have also forgot that Ladd was the only reason the first line WAS the first line in the early part of the season.

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04-03-2012, 12:17 AM
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I'll take bad hands that score 25 goals.
Hey, I love the guy. He is a keeper.

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Like I said, "on a contending team". He absolutely should be a top 6 on the Jets. I think it's the style of game Ladd plays. He gets in the dirty areas. He is a grinder. He doesn't have top 6 talent on a contending team. Just one man's opinion.
Third liners don't score 29 goals bro.

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I don't know of another hard working, gritty, leader that has scored 25+ goals for his team two years in a row that gets less respect.

A lot have also forgot that Ladd was the only reason the first line WAS the first line in the early part of the season.
All fanbases tend to do this. I don't know why. There are still people claiming that Dustin Brown is a 3rd liner at best on a contending team among the Kings faithful Ladd is top 6 on ANY team in the league. When will people realize that you need HITTING AND GRIT IN THE TOP 6. Just cause a player is physical does not make him a grinder.

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I couldnt disagree with this thread more.

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04-03-2012, 02:56 AM
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He's been pretty durable the last 4 seasons hes on pace to have only missed 1 game and will be the only jet to have played all 82 by the end of the season.

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04-03-2012, 08:58 AM
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Let's put him on the NY Rangers, which is definitely a SC contending team this year:

PlacePlayer TeamPos GP G A P
1Marian GaborikNYRR79403474
2Brad RichardsNYRC79253964
3Ryan CallahanNYRR73282553
4Derek StepanNYRC79173350
5Andrew LaddWPGL79252146
6Michael Del ZottoNYRD74103141
7Carl HagelinNYRL61142438

That slots him into the NYR's top six. Ladd's had a bit of an off year in point production, but in my opinion, he's a top-6 player in the NHL. Note too that his point total last year would put him solidly in the top 3 in point production on the Rangers.

Thank you YWG.

It's infuriating to hear people constantly either A)sell players short or B) have a absolutely RIDICULOUS idea of what "top line talent" is.

Ladd is a fantastic second liner, and a more then serviceable "complementary" first liner.

I'll take a hard nosed heart and soul guy who can screen and shovel in the garbage on my first line over a line of three finesse players because you NEED those guys to create space, cause confusion, and open up the ice for your playmakers/finishers.

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Thank you YWG.

It's infuriating to hear people constantly either A)sell players short or B) have a absolutely RIDICULOUS idea of what "top line talent" is.

Ladd is a fantastic second liner, and a more then serviceable "complementary" first liner.

I'll take a hard nosed heart and soul guy who can screen and shovel in the garbage on my first line over a line of three finesse players because you NEED those guys to create space, cause confusion, and open up the ice for your playmakers/finishers.
Sums up my thoughts perfectly!

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Third liners don't score 29 goals bro.
Of course they don't. They don't get the minutes.

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Of course they don't. They don't get the minutes.
So you admit he's not a 3rd liner?

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Of course they don't. They don't get the minutes.
your saying most third liners can score 29+ goals given the minutes? Well by that logic, there should be plenty of 29+ goal scorers in the league last year.cus if Third Liners can do it, the three first liners that every team besides that jets has should be able to do it too right?

hmmm...
only 33 29+ goal scorers last year. That's an average of 1.1 per team....not only is their not enough 1st liners, at best, only 4 teams have more then 1 first 2nd or 3rd line player playing top line minutes!

I didn't realise there were so many fourth liners and call ups filling out the other 57 top-line spots.

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Of course they don't. They don't get the minutes.
interesting comment here... so the implicit assumption is that any 3rd line forward given 1st or 2nd line minutes will score 29 goals.

edit: way late there... waylayed by coworkers

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interesting comment here... so the implicit assumption is that any 3rd line forward given 1st or 2nd line minutes will score 29 goals.

edit: way late there... waylayed by coworkers
don't worry...I got you covered.

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Ladd looked way overrated in the game tonight against the Panthers.

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04-03-2012, 09:12 PM
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Ladd looked way overrated in the game tonight against the Panthers.
Can't even get a hattrick. Scrub.

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Ladd has his moments, but overall.............................no.

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Ladd looked way overrated in the game tonight against the Panthers.
Every third liner given ice time in the overtime will always score the winner. Always. First line minutes there.

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Does anyone else think Ladd is overrated?
Hmmm .... No.

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Nope. I'd like him cut down on the bad penalties and turnovers next year. His wrist\snapshot is underrated.

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Not a fan of late third period penalties... but i like the rest of his game.
Fight vs. Hedman, OT Winners, lethal wrist shot, hes tough.

Probably the most scars this year.
Kind of thing I like in a leader.

He will lead this team. The Jets are only going to get better.

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Not a fan of late third period penalties... but i like the rest of his game.
Fight vs. Hedman, OT Winners, lethal wrist shot, hes tough.

Probably the most scars this year.
Kind of thing I like in a leader.

He will lead this team. The Jets are only going to get better.
That fight vs. Hedman was nuts, Ladd just man-handled him.

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IL guys did a breakdown of the penalty issue or impression and found Wheeler actually had more in crucial times .

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Of course they don't. They don't get the minutes.
Interesting comment, you're telling me that any first line player would...oh wait, nevermind.

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That fight vs. Hedman was nuts, Ladd just man-handled him.
I thought Hedman did pretty good. He was really hitting Ladd's fist hard with his face.

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