No, not being able to find numbers in the depth of the forum does not mean I'm wrong. Because the numbers were right, and directly refute your entire argument. You can do the research if you want. Your method is so flawed that it isn't even a method. All it shows is that the highest scoring player in a couple years was in that league, not the general scoring level of the league.
And yes, it has been 10 games. Which is why we are all saying SO FAR. And it is not only based off of points.
Also love how you and other people say they like a certain player the best, and that's fine. But other people say they like Rielly the best and back it up, and it's "OMG WTF LEAF FANS, YOU ALWAYS DO THIS!"
But it's ridiculous to draw any conclusions so early! Tim Bozon (Montreal's 3rd round pick) is 8th in the WHL in scoring right now, but no one would be ridiculous enough to say he's better than Galchenyuk.
There's a difference between liking a player the best and saying he's the best. Obviously fans will like their own prospects, but even though I like Galchenyuk I'm not going to go out and say he's better than Yakupov because he has more points in 10 games.
I cant find the exact stats, but im almost posiitive that in the last 5 years, with this being the exception, the WHL has been the lowest scoring league. Hence why i said on average WHL is lower.
Let me try to understand...
Looking at the average of the last five years (why not twenty) will help determine which league is the lower scoring this year ???
But weren't you talking about him playing 3rd-line minutes?
The Flyers would have 6 better superstars, thus the comment about the modern-day version of the late '70s Habs...
He was in between 2nd and 3rd line minutes. He was getting around 15 minutes a game.
6th most TOI among forwards, and 6th most PP TOI among forwards.
They had Richards, Carter, and Gagne put up ridiculous numbers. Then they had Hartnell breaking out and having a 30-goal season. And I think Knuble played more minutes mostly because he played the other wing, but he also scored 27 goals that year (and 29 goals the year before), so he was no slouch to surplant.
So yes, Philly's offense was amazingly good.
Maybe if they keep Lupul, they have a chance in 2010.
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Thus not a superstar.
Depends on your definition of superstar. If it is only including the Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin and Stamkos's of the world, as the other poster suggested, then no.
The word is meaningless. Superstar. PPG. Call it what you want.
But it's ridiculous to draw any conclusions so early! Tim Bozon (Montreal's 3rd round pick) is 8th in the WHL in scoring right now, but no one would be ridiculous enough to say he's better than Galchenyuk.
There's a difference between liking a player the best and saying he's the best. Obviously fans will like their own prospects, but even though I like Galchenyuk I'm not going to go out and say he's better than Yakupov because he has more points in 10 games.
There is a huge difference between a 3rd-round pick who has never done this before and a 5th-overall pick who was expected to do this. Rielly very easily could have gone before Galynchuck, but dropped due to his injury. We are now seeing that his injury was not a factor, and he has improved upon what he was.
Nobody is jumping to conclusions. Nobody is saying that Rielly is the 2nd-best prospect, no questions asked. But so far, he is holding down that spot. That is not just "liking" a player. That is down to facts.
Yakupov is in an entirely different (and stronger) league. He is not comparable, which is why I left him out of the Rielly discussion.
He was in between 2nd and 3rd line minutes. He was getting around 15 minutes a game.
6th most TOI among forwards, and 6th most PP TOI among forwards.
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Talk about changing the rules of the game mid-stream (sorry about the mixed metaphor).
That TOI is for the whole year, 38 games prior to his injury, 17 games after (the 56th one being the game in which he was injured).
Your initial point was basically that he would have had a breakout PPG year if not for his injury, as he was shuffled off to third-line duties after his return.
If he was such a superstar/PPG, it would mean that the Flyers had 6 better forwards once he returned.
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Depends on your definition of superstar. If it is only including the Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin and Stamkos's of the world, as the other poster suggested, then no.
The word is meaningless. Superstar. PPG. Call it what you want.
Talk about changing the rules of the game mid-stream (sorry about the mixed metaphor).
That TOI is for the whole year, 38 games prior to his injury, 17 games after (the 56th one being the game in which he was injured).
Your initial point was basically that he would have had a breakout PPG year if not for his injury, as he was shuffled off to third-line duties after his return.
If he was such a superstar/PPG, it would mean that the Flyers had 6 better forwards once he returned.
I'm not changing anything. You're talking about the wrong year... And you don't seem to understand my point.
In 2008-2009, Philly did have 5 players putting up equal or better numbers, yes. They had four 30-goal scorers, 5 players putting up between 27 and 46 goals. 3 players hovering around PPG.
Yes, Lupul likely would have put up more points than Hartnell and Knuble if he had been given more minutes, but Lupul is a rare breed that can produce in any circumstance, so there was no reason to mix things up and potentially lose offense overall.
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You're the one who used the word. Not me.
And you're the one who made it into a big deal. Not me.
