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OT: UPDATE 1/11 10:15 ET - ESPN reports Chargers will move to Los Angeles in 2017

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01-16-2017, 12:37 PM
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Yeah only because we told them to take a hike multiple times. Why do you think the Patriots play in a cow pasture 30-something miles outside the city? Sure wasn't because they wanted to play there.
How they wound up in Foxborough in the first place was quite a story.

Bill Veeck had proposed funding a stadium to be built on what was a landfill in Boston's Dorchester neighborhood. The stadium would be paid by Veeck getting additional racing days at Suffolk Downs which he ran. Of course the NIMBY's came out and formed a 'Save Our Dump' committee and the proposal died.

Then the owner of Bay State Raceway in Foxborough donated land for a new stadium in return for lifetime parking receipts. Years later Kraft wound up owning those parking lots and later the old stadium when the Sullivan family made the fatal mistake of thinking they could outsmart Don King in being co-promoters of a Michael Jackson tour.

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01-16-2017, 11:56 PM
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Great synopsis of the Chargers' attempts to get a stadium built since 2002. Note there were at least two attempts at private funding.

http://www.10news.com/news/a-history...-a-new-stadium

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01-17-2017, 12:21 PM
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Love how jounalists try to wax nostalgic without really understanding the basics.

Old Trafford isn't really renovated. They had to basically build a new stadium after the war and rebuild again after the issuing of the Taylor Report. If Ann had realized that, she would have also figured out that UK stadiums are not liked for the fan experience (as they have to be all-seater).

She also hasn't been to the Bernabeau or the Camp Nou and she would get why those don't work for the NFL or the North American fan as a whole. Its pretty basic in terms of seating and amenities and there's a reason why building such stadiums, even the grand ones, seem rather cheap.
Exactly. European soccer stadiums, to my knowledge, aren't built to be the one stop shop for entertainment, or be the anchor tenant for a district downtown. They are essentially for games and nothing else. Most people would drink/have food beforehand, go to the game, and leave.

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01-17-2017, 12:57 PM
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Great synopsis of the Chargers' attempts to get a stadium built since 2002. Note there were at least two attempts at private funding.

http://www.10news.com/news/a-history...-a-new-stadium
Seven mayors in a decade? Sounds like the Barracks Emperors.

I pity anyone who has to try and get something substantial done in California. They don't appear to want to make it easy. I'd say it serves San Diego right but they're just moving up to LA, so the saying "same $hit different pile" is apropos.

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01-19-2017, 11:50 AM
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Yeah, I think I'm too empathetic sometimes. I think of all these Charger fans getting crapped on by a cruddy owner only to see the new place that was worth so much more than their loyalty doesn't even care. It's embarrassing.

Then I snap out of it and realize that even though I associate one of my favorite cities (San Diego) with the Chargers they were never an integral part of the city and the ownership stinks to high hell and think they really deserve the boos.

I'm just a confused little ball of whatever right now.
Snap back in and tell that to Charger fans. It was the Spanos's that Charger fans weren't an integral part of. Even though Charger fans are happy to see Dean go, the team was a part of the city and county.

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01-20-2017, 11:33 AM
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I don't know... the Chargers were in San Diego for longer than the Browns had been in Cleveland and yet the reaction has been markedly different than it was at that time. I think it's fair to say that the Chargers were never as integral to life in San Diego as the Browns were to Cleveland, wouldn't you?

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I don't know... the Chargers were in San Diego for longer than the Browns had been in Cleveland and yet the reaction has been markedly different than it was at that time. I think it's fair to say that the Chargers were never as integral to life in San Diego as the Browns were to Cleveland, wouldn't you?
My belief has always been that while they liked the Chargers, they didn't love them in a similar vein as Oakland & Cleveland.

Fact that San Diego has no championship honors since the 1963 AFL Championship probably helped in that apathy.

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San Diego is also the definitive transplant town thanks to the military presence, so you're just never going to get the same kind of connection you'd get from a place like Cleveland, where most people who live there have had their family roots firmly planted there for generations.

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So, if you're keeping score at home, that's 13 of 15 relocations in the last 35 years were because an arena/stadium deal couldn't/didn't get done.

Only Vancouver Grizzlies and Atlanta Thrashers moved for other reasons.

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So, if you're keeping score at home, that's 13 of 15 relocations in the last 35 years were because an arena/stadium deal couldn't/didn't get done.

Only Vancouver Grizzlies and Atlanta Thrashers moved for other reasons.
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I don't want to make a separate thread about this but not too long after the Chargers announced them moving on from San Diego there is a lot of enthusiasm for a new (100% privately financed) stadium for MLS and SDSU football at the Mission Valley site.

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So, if you're keeping score at home, that's 13 of 15 relocations in the last 35 years were because an arena/stadium deal couldn't/didn't get done.

Only Vancouver Grizzlies and Atlanta Thrashers moved for other reasons.
Yes, but it also includes situations like Cleveland that built the Jake, Gund, Rock n Roll HOF, but then told the Browns, "Sorry". They left and then almost immediately were miraculously able to build for the new Browns.

Also Houston, who told Bud Adams no when he wanted the Astrodome replaced, but somehow the Texans got a new stadium with public money.

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01-25-2017, 05:57 PM
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Yes, but it also includes situations like Cleveland that built the Jake, Gund, Rock n Roll HOF, but then told the Browns, "Sorry". They left and then almost immediately were miraculously able to build for the new Browns.

Also Houston, who told Bud Adams no when he wanted the Astrodome replaced, but somehow the Texans got a new stadium with public money.
And this is why the NHL's relocation policy is so misunderstood...

All of their stances with each franchise are designed to keep the Free Arena Train rolling.

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01-25-2017, 07:02 PM
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Yes, but it also includes situations like Cleveland that built the Jake, Gund, Rock n Roll HOF, but then told the Browns, "Sorry". They left and then almost immediately were miraculously able to build for the new Browns.

Also Houston, who told Bud Adams no when he wanted the Astrodome replaced, but somehow the Texans got a new stadium with public money.
Politicians love to call the bluff of ownership when it comes to issues. O'Malley v. Moses over the Brooklyn Dodgers really started it all.

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01-26-2017, 11:22 AM
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Here's an interview with former Leaf CEO Rich Peddie. It's mostly about the impact of Sens' new President on the development of Lebreton flats but there's a few good comments about stadium financing and what role the government should play. Interesting that a former NHL exec would be against public money.

Also comments on the ACC, Centre Videotron but the Chargers stuff comes in at the 16:00 mark.

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/ottawa-1200/...t-ceo-1.658119

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Politicians love to call the bluff of ownership when it comes to issues. O'Malley v. Moses over the Brooklyn Dodgers really started it all.
The closest thing to a "they won't really leave" is the Islanders. They weren't leaving the NYC metro area and everyone knew it.

But they sure left Nassau County in the dust.

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01-28-2017, 06:10 AM
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The closest thing to a "they won't really leave" is the Islanders. They weren't leaving the NYC metro area and everyone knew it.

But they sure left Nassau County in the dust.
The Long Island poobahs voted against replacing the Coliseum, so that left the Islanders with little to do.

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The closest thing to a "they won't really leave" is the Islanders. They weren't leaving the NYC metro area and everyone knew it.

But they sure left Nassau County in the dust.
Too much TV money.

They could play out of a tin can, and probably still be better off than a lot of NHL teams.

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The Long Island poobahs voted against replacing the Coliseum, so that left the Islanders with little to do.
Now that Nassau County has realized what life is like without the Islanders, it would be nice to see some effort made to bring them back where they belong.

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Now that Nassau County has realized what life is like without the Islanders, it would be nice to see some effort made to bring them back where they belong.
THE Brooklyn Nets are already doing that, as their D-League entry eventually lands there, Downtown

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