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05-31-2014, 02:33 PM
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Can't go wrong with the combo! Do the Portillos' in CA serve beer too?

If you're a salad fan get a chicken chopped salad (if they have a Barnelli's inside) with their house dressing.
They might have but I don't even want to look in the direction of booze after last night

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Whoa just saw a bigger picture of that Hossa-Brown hit. Yowza.



No wonder Hossa is not scoring any goals. He's having too much fun playing bouncer.

But as I post this pic I have to admit, begrudgingly, that my respect for Brown as a player has gone up this series. Dude just keeps coming and making big plays for the Kings even if he may not be the most flashy/talented guy.
Yep, Brown is just chugging away, I think when people see him for an extended period of time rather in youtube clips of alleged dirty plays, they see a relentless player that takes as much as he gives without whining, and due to past diving he may never draw a call again, but you'll hardly ever see him complain. He's more talented than he's displayed this season, to be honest, but at least he's gotten his skating mostly back (been playing all season with a bum knee).

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At the time it almost seemed like they were playing Saad there to try to help him make the Olympic team, because as soon as the Olympics selections came out, Saad and Kane stopped playing together and whaddya know... Kane's production dropped off to start the 2014 calendar year and Saad's production fell off too.
Speaking of the Olympics, is it painting with too broad a brush to say Patrick Sharp was two different players on either side of this year's Games?

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He put Handzus there (besides for sentimental reasons) because he didn't trust any of our other centers to win faceoffs or be defensively responsible on a line with Kane. The problem with this logic is the speed differential between Kane and Zus at this point in Zus's career and his inability to do anything with Kane's offensive creativity most of the time creates its own defensive liabilities and the frustration factor of all of this prevents Kane from being fully engaged in the game.
Thanks.

Easy for me to say now, but the Saad/Shaw/Kane trio seems ideal. As Kane said postgame, two guys who open up space. Shaw with his physicality, Saad with that + speed. You don't need a "great" skill player at pivot with Kane, IMO, but one who can read plays, play well without the puck and compliment him. Shaw is that. My initial impression of the guy was that he was limited to a third line, agitator role and a guy who could chip in occasionally. He has really impressed me last couple of seasons as a superb, complimentary type who plays really well with top players. <<< That is not as easy as it sounds.

Not unlike Bickell with Toews and Hossa. I've read where people laugh that Bickell is "not a first line forward". Well, not in your fantasy league (stats wise) and the guy sleeps through much of the regular season. But come the most important time of the year, having him riding shotgun alongside Toews and Hossa makes for a ridiculously "heavy" line to contain.

With Kane on fire again, it's "pick your poison time" when it comes to defending Chicago's top two lines.


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Thanks.

Easy for me to say now, but the Saad/Shaw/Kane trio seems ideal. As Kane said postgame, two guys who open up space. Shaw with his physicality, Saad with that + speed. You don't need a "great" skill player at pivot with Kane, IMO, but one who can read plays, play well without the puck and compliment him. Shaw is that. My initial impression of the guy was that he was limited to a third line, agitator role and a guy who could chip in occasionally. He has really impressed me last couple of seasons as a superb, complimentary type who plays really well with top players. <<< That is not as easy as it sounds.

Not unlike Bickell with Toews and Hossa. I've read where people laugh that Bickell is "not a first line forward". Well, not in your fantasy league (stats wise) and the guy sleeps through much of the regular season. But come the most important time of the year, having him riding shotgun alongside Toews and Hossa makes for a ridiculously "heavy" line to contain.

With Kane on fire again, it's "pick your poison time" when it comes to defending Chicago's top two lines.
Agreed. I can only hope our top two lines rise to the challenge. and that the bottom 6 don't get picked on.

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Still a long way to go in this series. The Hawks have only done what the Kings already did to us. You definitely like the momentum, just the overall confidence level and adrenaline level can only help with the traveling and push they need to continue to bring. Q is cracking the whip on our good players and that's what we needed. No use risking putting the 4th line out there when they just haven't been contributing. We know who brings it, just give them more Smith and Bickell and more of our stars. Need to keep rolling every shift and win game 7. It would be so unbelievable to get back to the SCF and everything that comes along with that, the chance to win the Cup. The team and fans just wanted a chance to get there. I felt the Hawks were good enough to earn the shot to play this game. I expect the best game we've seen from both teams. Leave it all on the ice.

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Thanks.

Easy for me to say now, but the Saad/Shaw/Kane trio seems ideal. As Kane said postgame, two guys who open up space. Shaw with his physicality, Saad with that + speed. You don't need a "great" skill player at pivot with Kane, IMO, but one who can read plays, play well without the puck and compliment him. Shaw is that. My initial impression of the guy was that he was limited to a third line, agitator role and a guy who could chip in occasionally. He has really impressed me last couple of seasons as a superb, complimentary type who plays really well with top players. <<< That is not as easy as it sounds.

Not unlike Bickell with Toews and Hossa. I've read where people laugh that Bickell is "not a first line forward". Well, not in your fantasy league (stats wise) and the guy sleeps through much of the regular season. But come the most important time of the year, having him riding shotgun alongside Toews and Hossa makes for a ridiculously "heavy" line to contain.

With Kane on fire again, it's "pick your poison time" when it comes to defending Chicago's top two lines.
Luckily for the Kings, their top two lines are pretty gosh dang good too.

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That's going to be the big challenge, when Sutter starts double shifting his top 6 players.

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Luckily for the Kings, their top two lines are pretty gosh dang good too.
Absolutely.

I was thinking more from a "defenseman assignment" standpoint. Specifically, if you are Sutter, do you want Doughty out tomorrow against Kane & Friends, or the Toews' line?

To be sure, defending those lines is not simply D matchups and the Kings have great two-way pivots to help defend. But I'm trying to think who I would want #8 against and am unsure.

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As a dimestore rec league dman, I try to envision what it must be like going up against the Hawks. First, Toews, Hossa and Bickell wear you down with puck possession and physicality shift after shift. Then, once they get off the ice?...Shiftiest stickhandler on earth comes darting off the bench. Fun!


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Mister Beef on Harlem is pretty good as well.

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Absolutely.

I was thinking more from a "defenseman assignment" standpoint. Specifically, if you are Sutter, do you want Doughty out tomorrow against Kane & Friends, or the Toews' line?

To be sure, defending those lines is not simply D matchups and the Kings have great two-way pivots to help defend. But I'm trying to think who I would want #8 against and am unsure.

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As a dimestore rec league dman, I try to envision what it must be like going up against the Hawks. First, Toews, Hossa and Bickell wear you down with puck possession and physicality shift after shift. Then, once they get off the ice?...Shiftiest stickhandler on earth comes darting off the bench. Fun!
Its like the dilemma Q faced earlier in the series. Do you continue to play the Toews line against the Kopitar line, or do you use that line against the red hot Carter line? The teams are so good and even it's crazy.

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Disappointed if Kings don't win, but it's been one helluva series, great hockey on both sides, nothing to complain about for either team.

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Totally unprovoked too, right?
Oh whaaaa, Quick knows he can almost do anything he wants because he's a goalie and he'll never have to answer for his own actions. Shaw barely touched him and while he's on the ice and being surrounded by the ref and two other Kings players, Quick decides to spear him from behind with his stick. Wonder why Quick didn't do anything initially when everyone was looking at him.

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Not sure how I feel about the Hawks twitter account trying to make "Hustle & Flow" a nickname for the Saad-Shaw-Kane line. But I guess if it has a nickname it's harder for Q to break it up?

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I think you're right to some extent but there are some moving parts. the teams we've played this time around are much more dangerous, too. I think it's at least partly due to rolling lines as if it doesn't matter--while Q has had no problem riding his best players and benching his lesser players, Sutter is just trotting everyone out there like it's no big deal. I mean, I guess part of it is good to keep players fresh for game 7, but when you have a team like the Hawks on the ropes, that's unacceptable imo. But I agree with your thoughts on the team seeming to mentally just be 'saving themselves' for the serious games, it looks like that's what the Hawks have done too unfortunately and I agree that they'll be the executioner.
I agree. It's not hard to imagine that Sutter's "steady as she goes" approach is partly responsible for the team playing its 3rd Game 7 in 3 rounds. When you plan out every series as though it's going to go 7 games (ex. rest your guys so that they don't disappear last in the series), chances are more likely that they will go 7 games.

Obviously, Sutter's approach is successful much of the time, but I agree that, when you have a team as good as Chicago on the ropes (especially this late in the playoffs), it's not acceptable to hold back the death blow, hoping that you can simply keep them down until time runs out. In either of the last two games, but especially in the last game, at home, Sutter should've heavily leaned on his top players, IMO, especially in the 3rd periods, when they had leads. Who cares if they're spent afterwards? If they had won in Game 5, they would've had a whole week to rest before the SCF. Even winning last night would've given them four full days off. Now, even if they win tomorrow, they'll have played two more mentally exhausting games (against an elite opponent) and have only two full days off. They'll be more tired now than if they'd been double-shifted in the 3rd periods of Game 5 and 6 and earned a longer break. So, Sutter's rationale sort of escapes me.

This team needs to re-find its killer instinct and realize that this rope-a-dope is not acceptable. They came this close to being swept in the 1st round. What's frustrating is that they don't seem to have learned anything from it. They got down again in Round 2 and, now, are repeating some of the mistake that SJ made against them. If they lose this series, I don't have any faith that they'll learn anything from it, and they'll likely going into next year's playoffs with the same laid-back, "we're the comeback kids, so we're never out of it" feeling, but it may not work out nearly so well for them again.

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Oh whaaaa, Quick knows he can almost do anything he wants because he's a goalie and he'll never have to answer for his own actions. Shaw barely touched him and while he's on the ice and being surrounded by the ref and two other Kings players, Quick decides to spear him from behind with his stick. Wonder why Quick didn't do anything initially when everyone was looking at him.
Nothing I said could be construed as crying, man, relax. Shaw's got a rep as a crease crasher, goalie took exception and let him know. Dirty is punching Perry in the crotch, not poking at Shaw to acknowledge him.

I could care less about Quick's rep at this point. The previous two series the refs weren't taking care of him at all so he made it a point to take care of himself. Shaw's been the only one in this series to really push the issue at all and he's getting back what he's taking, it's really no big deal.

I always think it's funny when people wax nostalgic about guys like Hextall then get upset when a goalie defends his space.

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I agree. It's not hard to imagine that Sutter's "steady as she goes" approach is partly responsible for the team playing its 3rd Game 7 in 3 rounds. When you plan out every series as though it's going to go 7 games (ex. rest your guys so that they don't disappear last in the series), chances are more likely that they will go 7 games.

Obviously, Sutter's approach is successful much of the time, but I agree that, when you have a team as good as Chicago on the ropes (especially this late in the playoffs), it's not acceptable to hold back the death blow, hoping that you can simply keep them down until time runs out. In either of the last two games, but especially in the last game, at home, Sutter should've heavily leaned on his top players, IMO, especially in the 3rd periods, when they had leads. Who cares if they're spent afterwards? If they had won in Game 5, they would've had a whole week to rest before the SCF. Even winning last night would've given them four full days off. Now, even if they win tomorrow, they'll have played two more mentally exhausting games (against an elite opponent) and have only two full days off. They'll be more tired now than if they'd been double-shifted in the 3rd periods of Game 5 and 6 and earned a longer break. So, Sutter's rationale sort of escapes me.

This team needs to re-find its killer instinct and realize that this rope-a-dope is not acceptable. They came this close to being swept in the 1st round. What's frustrating is that they don't seem to have learned anything from it. They got down again in Round 2 and, now, are repeating some of the mistake that SJ made against them. If they lose this series, I don't have any faith that they'll learn anything from it, and they'll likely going into next year's playoffs with the same laid-back, "we're the comeback kids, so we're never out of it" feeling, but it may not work out nearly so well for them again.
Wow, you put into words exactly what I was thinking about this. Well put

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Can't wait for tomorrow night! Really hoping the Hawks pull off the comeback!

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Kane is so damn good. On a somewhat related note, today is the 7th anniversary of the Oilers acquiring Patrick Thoresen. The useless piece of crap that scored a pointless goal at the end of the year to give the Oilers the 6th pick instead of 4th or 5th in the 2007 draft

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Part III here.

http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh....php?t=1682041

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