Koln, Berlin, Dusseldorf, Karlsruher, have crowds always been this crazy?
Add Frankfurt and a number of further 2nd Bundesliga teams. And no, they have - fortunately - not always been like this. Some if it has been part of fan culture for longer times, but the development we've had over the last years is sickening. These ultra scenes see themselves as falling victims to a "modern football" they hate, and raise each other to acts that are purely "modern" themselves, and thanks to them. It's perverted.
The way these groups have been handled for way to long had a lot do with it. For too long, it has been talked down as minor issues. The clubs didn't want to offend or alienate parts of their "most loyal" (yeah, right...) fans. The league as a whole was too busy looking good to deal with these issues and they got buried under the rug. Thankfully, we're starting to get to work on these things. But the heads in charge with the league and most clubs are still way too soft in their responses to what we see happen. It has become so "usual" these days that we'll see things go worse before they get better.
I wouldn't group today's incidents short before the final whistle together with what happened in cologne for example. It was the complete opposite motive- disappointment in cologne, joy in düsseldorf. It's a little unfair to condemn Fortuna fans for it now, because really this stuff happens all the time.
Last week, fans invaded the pitch in Dortmund I believe, and it really happens wuite often when a club archieves something. Now, most of the time (not always, see Wembley '66 or Bayern munich's title in 1990) it occurs after the game has ended, which is of course a big difference, but it's still the same act.
Today fans and marshals ****ed up together as they were already standing at the sidelines when the game was still on.Still, I doubt it was planned beforehand, and rather believe it was more of an "accident".
Only the first few people could have known what they were doing when they stormed on the pitch. Wether they thought they heard the whistle or wether they did it from reasons I can't wrap my head around, I don't know, but they were the ones initiating it and the rest just assumed it was over. They shouldn't have, but honestly if I saw thousands of people around me invading the pitch, I'd assume too.
So when everything is said and done I don't hate this nearly as much as the pyro stuff that happens out of frustration by some idiots, which is obviously previously planned. That's where it gets really dangerous.
I agree with you. Today (well, the end of it) was not exactly a good illustration of what's been going on lately. It's a similar picture, but a different case.
Today's decision by the DFB to not have a rematch of the relegation game is just wrong, and that's coming from someone who wanted Berlin to lose.
Yes, Berlin deserves to be relegated, and yes, not only was their fans' behaviour ridiculous but also the behaviour of some players after the game, all that doesn't change the fact that Düsseldorf has to make sure that a full game can be played without any interference by outside influences, and they completely failed at that. It's hard to make sure no one uses any fireworks, but it's very possible to make sure that fans don't move onto the field, much less in these numbers.
No one can tell me that more and more fans moving to the lines doesn't influence players. Nor can anyone tell me that having policemen and dogs right where the linesmen are supposed to move doesn't influence players and last but not least, no one can tell me that a player can focus on the game after having to run to the locker-room because of fans taking over the field. And it doesn't matter one bit whether most of the fans were of the happy kind and only celebrating, there were enough idiots going after and insulting players, not to mention that it's impossible to gauge there intentions at first glance, so yes, it's reason enough for players to get scared.
The reasons given by the judge are a joke, as always, I have no idea whoever thought that he is capable of filling this role.
Simply put, Düsseldorf didn't manage to hold a proper game, and it doesn't matter how little time was left, the game doesn't end before it ends. Not holding a rematch will only lead to more idiots doing whatever they want.
Apparently Sahan is off to Galatasaray for 1.5m, that would be disgustingly delightful by Kuntz if that happens, free transfer to 1.5m a year later when Sahan's only contribution of note was the volley against Dortmund.
Of course that would be 1 good transfer making up for about the 10 bad ones in the last year or two
So err....Dortmund signs Kirch for 500k from Kaiserslautern, despite the fact he was below average at best and couldn't even get a game for Kaiserslautern for a lot of this season?
So err....Dortmund signs Kirch for 500k from Kaiserslautern, despite the fact he was below average at best and couldn't even get a game for Kaiserslautern for a lot of this season?
So err....Dortmund signs Kirch for 500k from Kaiserslautern, despite the fact he was below average at best and couldn't even get a game for Kaiserslautern for a lot of this season?
His agent must be a genius, or something.
Well, he's the replacement for da Silva and can play at right full back as well. So he'l be the second backup on two positions where Dortmund has injury prone players (Kehl and Owomoyela). Kirch will probably spend most of the season in the stands or maybe on the bench if there are a couple of injuries/suspensions. From what I've seen of him his strength is running which is rather important in Klopp's system. His other abilities are rather limited though, but for 3rd choice players Dortmund just doesn't want to pay much, I guess.
Kirch certainly did not impress me either, but in Dortmund he might be of some help. Before Dortmund signed Pisczek for free (and went on to two German championships), he was an inept striker and lackluster RB.
I think Dortmund could of done better then Kirch, and for a cheaper price. We are talking about a guy who couldn't break into Kaiserslautern's team despite finishing bottom.
Even for 2nd back up or whatever, you can do better IMO
I think Dortmund could of done better then Kirch, and for a cheaper price. We are talking about a guy who couldn't break into Kaiserslautern's team despite finishing bottom.
Even for 2nd back up or whatever, you can do better IMO
You're not going to be looking for a good player when you want a 2nd back-up, you'll be looking for someone who is willing to take a cheap contract to sit in the stands, good players generally aren't willing to do that.
You're not going to be looking for a good player when you want a 2nd back-up, you'll be looking for someone who is willing to take a cheap contract to sit in the stands, good players generally aren't willing to do that.
You'll want a player who won't be a liability in the case he does play, and Kirch is a massive liability.
Even though it's 'just' 500k to sign him, you could get a player who is at least as 'good' as Kirch on the free agent market who will have a similar wage while saving the money of the transfer fee.
The only thing Kirch has in his favour is BL experience, I guess.
But if Dortmund are happy with it then so be it, Kaiserslautern are happy to get 500k out of a reserve player. Most people I've talked to are bewildered by the transfer to be honest.
