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06-15-2013, 02:32 PM
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Absolutely moronic if Enström is'nt added to the list before september. He's quite possibly our second best offensive defenceman and it certainly would be frustrating if he's a point per game player next season but not eligible.

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06-15-2013, 04:15 PM
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The 35-man nomination is just about sending signals.

1) No surprise players, just the core to establish the hierarchy.

2) Defense will be proven players with physicality who play together. Hjalmarsson - Oduya and Kronwall - Ericsson are ideal for such a short tournament. Not six smallish fantasy guys. No round marks.

3) Big rink players will be given some thought.

4) If you haven't broken through yet, do so! Players must have been a dominating force on his team to be of interest.

5) Markström let in one softie lately where it looked he was slow sideways. Lehner has some upside. One of these guys will win the battle for a roster spot.

6) Staffan Kronwall is not a leader on this team as he is on a WC team. Of course Enström is no. 3 at least when it comes to offensive d-men. But having Karlsson, OEL, Enström and possibly Brodin among eight defenders might not be the ideal mix. Also, a few players feel they have the chance on the team now, at defense.


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06-15-2013, 05:36 PM
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2 righties of 35 players. Mårts is nuts.

Vancouver's assistent coach on the subject anyone who have followed the game closely the last 5 years or so should have figured out.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz2WJzxH6Dw

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Brown knew things weren't right when he had too many left shots.

“You have to look at the pieces of the puzzle that are necessary and we had great chemistry that first year,” he explained. “Everything gelled. This year, we were forced through injury and whatnot and changes in personnel to try and build a new group.

“When you're trying to run a power play with five left shots, which we were forced to do a lot this year, you're really swimming upstream. Seventy-seven per cent of the power-play goals are scored with at least two right shots, so that tells you a lot right there. Not to say there are exceptions to the rule, but when you have five left shots, or even four, your chances of scoring are diminished.

“Teams are so fast to get into the shot lanes these days,” Brown continued, “that if you can't take one-timers, if you aren't in position to take one-touch passes and move the puck quickly to shooters and shoot off the pass, you're at a big disadvantage. That was something we were dealing with this year.”

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06-16-2013, 05:18 AM
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Hart:

1. Oveckin
2. Crosby
3. Tavares
4. Toewes
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14. Zetterberg
22. Henrik Sedin
23. Henrik Lundqvist



Norris:

1. Subban
2. Suter
3. Letang
4. Beauchemin
5. Chara
6. Keith
7. Ekman-Larsson
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10. Kronwall
18. Karlsson



Vezina


1. Sergei Bobrovsky, CBJ 110 (17-8-1)
2. Henrik Lundqvist, NYR 55 (3-12-4)
3. Antti Niemi, S.J. 46 (6-4-4)
4. Craig Anderson, OTT 22 (3-1-4)
5. Tuukka Rask, BOS 12 (0-3-3)
6. Jimmy Howard, DET 9 (0-0-9)
7. Ray Emery, CHI 6 (1-0-1)
8. Corey Crawford, CHI 5 (0-1-2)
9. Jonas Hiller, ANA 3 (0-1-0)
10. Niklas Backstrom, MIN 1 (0-0-1)


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06-16-2013, 12:29 PM
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With the list Mårts gave us, I think this is a pretty sensible rooster:

Lundqvist, Enroth, Lehner

Zetterberg (C) Bäckström Johansson
Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Steen (A) Berglund Franzén
Hagelin Krüger Landeskog
Nyquist

Karlsson OEL
Ericsson Kronwall (A)
Hjalmarsson Oduya
Hedman

Edler, Hörnqvist

Note that I would want to add Enström, Silvferberg, and maybe Zibanejad, and I think they have a pretty big chance in getting on the team depending on next season.

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06-16-2013, 02:30 PM
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With the list Mårts gave us, I think this is a pretty sensible rooster:
Dear sir, please find enclosed here a picture of a non-sensible rooster.

My regards.

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06-16-2013, 06:31 PM
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Zetterberg-Backstrom-Franzen
D.Sedin-H.Sedin-Alfredsson
Landeskog-Kruger-Stalberg
Eriksson-Berglund-Hornqvist
Hagelin
Kronwall-Karlsson
Edler-Hedman
Hjalmarsson-Oduya
Enstrom
Lundqvist
Lehner
Fasth
"C"-Zetterberg
"A"-Alfredsson
"A"-Karlsson
"A"-Kronwall

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06-17-2013, 02:20 AM
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2 righties of 35 players. Mårts is nuts.

Vancouver's assistent coach on the subject anyone who have followed the game closely the last 5 years or so should have figured out.

http://www.vancouversun.com/sports/C...#ixzz2WJzxH6Dw
Yeah and Sweden actually isn't completely without righties as Aftonbladet reporter Mats Wennerholm pointed out; Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Larsson, all three very likely to take a step forward in thier development next year.

Mårts has probably not thought of this at all.

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Yeah and Sweden actually isn't completely without righties as Aftonbladet reporter Mats Wennerholm pointed out; Silfverberg, Zibanejad, Larsson, all three very likely to take a step forward in thier development next year.

Mårts has probably not thought of this at all.
Yeah, its so easy to look at a team on paper now in June and neglect the shortages of right shooting players.

But I've seen this before, when they tournament starts and you stand there with one or even without a single right shooting player, you just get problems.

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Damn, I haven't thought about how weak our forward pool looks before outside of the top six. This team will have the worst offense since before Nagano, which should make Enström a necessity.


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06-17-2013, 06:41 PM
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Damn, I haven't thought about how weak our forward pool looks before outside of the top six. This team will have the worst offense since before Nagano, which should make Enström a necessity.
Sedin, Sedin, Zetterberg, Bäckström, Eriksson, Franzen, Berglund, Steen, Landeskog looks like a pretty solid top9 to me going into the season. I don't expect to see the six best guys stacked, I expect them spread out to three lines based on chemistry. Certainly better than 2010 when we used Weinhandl, Hörnqvist and one-leg Forsberg in the top9. 4th line is never a worry, we always have some defensively talented players to choose from.

Btw seeing Steen on some 4th lines, I think he's gonna be our 5th or 6th best forward.

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Btw seeing Steen on some 4th lines, I think he's gonna be our 5th or 6th best forward.
I see him carrying the 3rd line but he could also play in the top 6. It all depends on where Zetterberg plays, my gut tells me Mårts likes him in a center position.

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Damn, I haven't thought about how weak our forward pool looks before outside of the top six. This team will have the worst offense since before Nagano, which should make Enström a necessity.
Steen - Berglund - Hörnqvist can do some damage.

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Sedin, Sedin, Zetterberg, Bäckström, Eriksson, Franzen, Berglund, Steen, Landeskog looks like a pretty solid top9 to me going into the season. I don't expect to see the six best guys stacked, I expect them spread out to three lines based on chemistry. Certainly better than 2010 when we used Weinhandl, Hörnqvist and one-leg Forsberg in the top9. 4th line is never a worry, we always have some defensively talented players to choose from.
The problem for me is that several of those guys are question marks right now.

Franzen is a declining hit and miss player and will be one year older to add. Bäckström is turning into sort of an up and down player too, playoff-wise. Landeskog has ironically proven to be a pretty tame tournament performer for Sweden so far.

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Steen - Berglund - Hörnqvist can do some damage.
I think you have to put it in context. That would be solid even as a first line by NHL standards, but I don't like their chances much against a single D pool with Weber, Doughty, Keith, Subban etc. You have to remember I'm counting with at least the semi finals, facing up Canada, Russia, Usa and so on. The only good way would be to play them like a regular season 4th line and utlize their good defensive capabilities to the fullest.

I'm not entirely negative about the forwards however. Zetterberg is always a stud, and I think The Sedins with Louie should be one of the 2-3 deadliest lines in the world on big ice.


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The problem for me is that several of those guys are question marks right now.

Franzen is a declining hit and miss player and will be one year older to add. Bäckström is turning into sort of an up and down player too, playoff-wise. Landeskog has ironically proven to be a pretty tame tournament performer for Sweden so far.

The only good way would be to play them like a regular season 4th line and utlize their good defensive capabilities to the fullest.
Agree, Berglund and Franzén are small question marks. But one thing that can be said in favor of a future swedish team is that we have 9 good players and that there are so many with the potential for a breakthru. Berglund was real good one WC not long ago. So good I declared him for the next sure center on our team, behind H. Sedin and Bäckström. Since then Steen has emerged and Söderberg has started to dominate big time in SEL at least. If you look at NHL only you lose the european perspective. I would nominate ONE of Berglund and Franzén, or maybe both depending on how our D look. Landeskog was a bit lame lately, but I think he can be very useful on a fourth line making sure the puck stays in the offensive zone. Bäckström is a player who I feel very sure about being good. Players like Silfverberg, Söderberg, Josefsson, Krüger, Zibanejad, Lindberg or even Järnkrok can be one step better over the summer. And who knows about Alfredsson? Team nominations will be very important.

And one question, just for fun, how much worse would Toby Enström be than, say Fredrik Pettersson, as forward?

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