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01-19-2014, 10:53 AM
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I will never understand why hockey fans are so interested in suspensions. It's such a weird and pointless discussion. All after the fact.

All I'm concerned with, was the correct call on the ice made on the play. Do I believe this play warranted a call? Yep. Especially with that follow-through in center ice meaning both officials got a great look. Do I understand why one wasn't made? Sure do. It was overtime and on a much maligned player. Both are huge factors in pretty much every sport.

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01-19-2014, 12:02 PM
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So... why was Brown suspended for his elbow on Poms last year? Looked pretty "defensive" to me..... guy coming in to hit, throw up your elbow!

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01-19-2014, 01:16 PM
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I will never understand why hockey fans are so interested in suspensions. It's such a weird and pointless discussion. All after the fact.
Suspensions are meant to correct individual behaviors that are dangerous. I want to see more consistent and harsher punishments for this type of play because I'm sick of seeing concussions and similar player injuries ruin careers, not to mention teams' seasons.

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All I'm concerned with, was the correct call on the ice made on the play. Do I believe this play warranted a call? Yep. Especially with that follow-through in center ice meaning both officials got a great look. Do I understand why one wasn't made? Sure do. It was overtime and on a much maligned player. Both are huge factors in pretty much every sport.
I honestly don't think it had anything to do with who was getting hit; I really doubt the ref had any time or reason to think about that. I definitely see reputation calls based on the aggressor (e.g., Cooke gets penalties because he will never get the benefit of the doubt on borderline plays), but rarely does the victim's reputation seem to play into it (unless they're known as a diver).



Also, I'm equally upset about the missed double minor when Brodin got his face cut up. I really don't know how you can just ignore that much blood on the ice. And I really don't buy the follow-through argument on this one. It looked very, very avoidable on the play. And really, if PMB can get a two game suspension for "being irresponsible with his stick" (i.e., having it lifted), you really gotta call this one.

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01-19-2014, 01:46 PM
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Also, I'm equally upset about the missed double minor when Brodin got his face cut up. I really don't know how you can just ignore that much blood on the ice. And I really don't buy the follow-through argument on this one. It looked very, very avoidable on the play. And really, if PMB can get a two game suspension for "being irresponsible with his stick" (i.e., having it lifted), you really gotta call this one.
The rule probably needs some tweaking, but you can't call a penalty there. It wasn't an illegal act.

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01-19-2014, 02:10 PM
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Best thing to happen if for COOKE to have a 4-5 point game against the Stars in the next game, and have the WILD destroy Dallas on the scoreboard.

Any retaliation by the Wild will make us look like babies.



Also - TORTS is an idiot. I don't care if you start 5 John Scott's at the opening faceoff; Torts is the ***** by starting his goons to "get back" at the Flames. Just start your2nd or 3rd lines and score. It the Flames would have persisted in fighting, then you turtle and get the huge Powerplay.

Just Torts trying to be a bully as always. He is a douch.

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01-19-2014, 02:10 PM
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The rule probably needs some tweaking, but you can't call a penalty there. It wasn't an illegal act.
When the "follow-through" hits someone in the face, it absolutely should be called. No reason to have his stick that high after a shot.

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01-19-2014, 02:19 PM
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When the "follow-through" hits someone in the face, it absolutely should be called. No reason to have his stick that high after a shot.
So you want the refs to call a penalty for something that is explicitly singled out in the rulebook as not being a penalty?

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01-19-2014, 02:26 PM
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doesn't a follow through have to involve the puck in some fashion? i don't think the guy was even close to touching the puck

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A “high stick” is one which is carried above the height of the opponent’s shoulders. Players and goalkeepers must be in control and responsible for their stick. However, a player is permitted accidental contact on an opponent if the act is committed as a normal windup or follow through of a shooting motion. A wild swing at a bouncing puck would not be considered a normal windup or follow through and any contact to an opponent above the height of the shoulders shall be penalized accordingly.
If anyone has the video I'd like to see it again. To me it looked more like a wild swing and less like a "normal follow through."

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01-19-2014, 02:40 PM
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If Benn doesn't get suspended, I want him checked so hard that rest of the Stars have to wear black armbands for the rest of the season. What a ****ing pile of ****.
Let's not be hasty, I need him healthy for fantasy hockey! Seriously though, that hit deserves a game.

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01-19-2014, 02:50 PM
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i especially like all the "karma" posts on the main board. if it's okay for someone to illegally check someone who has in the past made a purposefully bad hit then someone really ought to have cashed in a get out of suspension free card on Gonchar for his flying elbow "interference" on Clutterbuck a few years ago. I'm sure Dallas fans would have been cool with that.

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01-19-2014, 04:33 PM
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Okay..Russo is saying through a series of tweets that he's hearing there wont be any supplemental discipline for Benn because IT WAS CONSIDERED A PROTECTIVE MANEUVER. YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.

Ok I'm pissed.
I was really hoping the league would take the opportunity during the lockout to come up with a better way to hand out discipline than Brendan "Inconsistent" Shannahan.

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Good. Our guys should get him next game, then. Let's see Cooke give him some of his own medicine, being the elbow specialist on our team. I want to see the Dallas boards reaction and people losing their crap on the main board after that. There's no reason not to hurt Benn. And when Shanahan calls, just use the same excuse. "It was a protective maneuver, right?"

At this point, I'm not even surprised or mad. The refereeing was awful throughout the game, and now league doesn't even look at an obvious attempt to injure. Hell, the cross-checks on Granlund went unnoticed despite being very much penalty, even suspension worthy.
I don't want to see Cooke retaliate. That's an automatic 10 game suspension for being Matt Cooke. What I want to see is the whole team pissed off about it and hitting the hell out of Benn (legally) wherever possible while demolishing them on the scoreboard. I want the whole damn team in beastmode.

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01-19-2014, 08:10 PM
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C'mn people, get real. Benn's hit on Cooke was a ****ing awesome hockey hit. And as clean as it gets.

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01-20-2014, 12:13 AM
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I don't want to see Cooke retaliate. That's an automatic 10 game suspension for being Matt Cooke. What I want to see is the whole team pissed off about it and hitting the hell out of Benn (legally) wherever possible while demolishing them on the scoreboard. I want the whole damn team in beastmode.
This. Exactly this. The guys should be pissed off.

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