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Top European of All Time (NHL ONLY)

View Poll Results: Best Euro
Hasek 94 37.30%
Lidstrom 58 23.02%
Jagr 77 30.56%
Forsberg 13 5.16%
Selanne 5 1.98%
Kurri 2 0.79%
Other - no non-nhlers, not comparable 3 1.19%
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03-23-2013, 01:17 PM
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Went with Forsberg, love the style or hate hockey.


But I agree that Hasek and Lidström are given #1 & 2 statwise.

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03-23-2013, 01:22 PM
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Forsberg underrated as hell on here.
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03-23-2013, 07:23 PM
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Lidstrom
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Jagr
Hasek

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03-23-2013, 11:33 PM
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This is really a tough one...Selanne and Kurri were/are great snipers and finishers, Hasek once he came to North America was one of the best goalies of the 1990s, Lidstrom was a career +450 over 20 seasons and had over 1,100 points, and Forsberg was better than a point a game player and not a defensive liability, but he always had foot problems.

Ultimately, I chose Jagr; even though he has slowed down a bit, he has been great for a long time. My alternate would have been Lidstrom, but this is perhaps one of the toughest poll questions I have seen.

BTW, you should have Peter Stastny on this list; if he was here, he's muddle up things even more (although Stastny did play for Team Canada at one point, he was European-trained). Stastny may have been the best skater in the 1980s not on the Edmonton Oilers or named Mario Lemieux (he scored 1,000 points in the 1980s). Stastny also had 6 seasons with 100-plus points---a claim that only 6 other NHL skaters can make.

Jagr, Lidstrom, and Stastny would be my top 3, then Hasek, Selanne, Kurri, and Forsberg.


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03-24-2013, 01:49 AM
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1.Lidstrom

2.Jagr

3.Hasek

All 3 where great at their craft but number 5 is my number one answer.

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This is really a tough one...Selanne and Kurri were/are great snipers and finishers, Hasek once he came to North America was one of the best goalies of the 1990s, Lidstrom was a career +450 over 20 seasons and had over 1,100 points, and Forsberg was better than a point a game player and not a defensive liability, but he always had foot problems.

Ultimately, I chose Jagr; even though he has slowed down a bit, he has been great for a long time. My alternate would have been Lidstrom, but this is perhaps one of the toughest poll questions I have seen.

BTW, you should have Peter Stastny on this list; if he was here, he's muddle up things even more (although Stastny did play for Team Canada at one point, he was European-trained). Stastny may have been the best skater in the 1980s not on the Edmonton Oilers or named Mario Lemieux (he scored 1,000 points in the 1980s). Stastny also had 6 seasons with 100-plus points---a claim that only 6 other NHL skaters can make.

Jagr, Lidstrom, and Stastny would be my top 3, then Hasek, Selanne, Kurri, and Forsberg.

I always thought that Stastny was born in Slovakia but was raised and trained in Canada. So he would not be a "European trained" player.

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I always thought that Stastny was born in Slovakia but was raised and trained in Canada. So he would not be a "European trained" player.
I think you mean Mikita?

Stastny joined the NHL having already played a pair of seasons in the Czech League.

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I'd take Hasek.

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I think you mean Mikita?

Stastny joined the NHL having already played a pair of seasons in the Czech League.
Yeah, i do. Somehow just mixed those two up. Thanks.

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Lidstrom wins, he did it better and longer than anyone. The impact of him leaving the team also calculated into the score and here we see who the winner is...

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Lidstrom wins, he did it better and longer than anyone. The impact of him leaving the team also calculated into the score and here we see who the winner is...
I don't saying he did it better than anyone is very accurate. He was consistently great but so was Jagr. Jagr and Hasek were both dominant players while Lidstrom and the word dominant aren't compatible.

Some have already discussed the fact that some of Lidstrom's Norris wins were against weaker competition.

I'll take the two players that had 10 top 3 Hart finishes combined.

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I always thought that Stastny was born in Slovakia but was raised and trained in Canada. So he would not be a "European trained" player.
Peter Stastny was trained in Slovakia and played his first five professional seasons with Slovan Bratislava before he defected to Canada in the summer of 1980. Stastny first played internationally for Czechoslovakia, but played in the 1984 Canada Cup for Canada and later played his final international caps for the Slovak Republic following the split of Czechoslovakia in 1993.)

His stats speak for itself (1,239 points in 977 NHL gams, including 1,000 points in the 1980s).

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Hasek, barely over Lidstrom and Jagr.

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Peter Stastny was trained in Slovakia and played his first five professional seasons with Slovan Bratislava before he defected to Canada in the summer of 1980. Stastny first played internationally for Czechoslovakia, but played in the 1984 Canada Cup for Canada and later played his final international caps for the Slovak Republic following the split of Czechoslovakia in 1993.)

His stats speak for itself (1,239 points in 977 NHL gams, including 1,000 points in the 1980s).
Yeah, I checked that myself too. I mixed him to Mikita.

Very impressive career, no doubt. But i don't see him being better than Jagr/Hasek/Lidstrom.

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Hasek is the only one in that list who could be argued to be the best of all time in his position (and he most certainly was) so definitely Hasek.

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Hasek is the only one in that list who could be argued to be the best of all time in his position (and he most certainly was) so definitely Hasek.
I voted Hasek and this was my rationale in the end as well. It is really close though with Jagr / Lidstrom.

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Hasek is the only one in that list who could be argued to be the best of all time in his position (and he most certainly was) so definitely Hasek.
Does this mean you would take Hasek over Bobby Hull/Beliveau/Rocket solely based on the idea that Gretzky/Mario/Gordie are the only ones in the running for greatest forwards of all time?

You could stretch it even further and say that since Mario has almost no argument over Gretzky for GOAT forward that Hasek therefore is better than Mario?

Also, to be fair, people that favor career and playoff performance do consider Lidstrom to be the greatest defenseman of all time or at the very least in the discussion (although I personally do not).

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jagr spend 3 years in KHL. 3x65 = add 195 points....

easily behind gretzky in career points. but he doesn't care. why? its freakin jaromir jagr, goddamnit! (lol)

1. Jagr
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kurri/selanne/forsberg/whatever

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I don't saying he did it better than anyone is very accurate. He was consistently great but so was Jagr. Jagr and Hasek were both dominant players while Lidstrom and the word dominant aren't compatible.

Some have already discussed the fact that some of Lidstrom's Norris wins were against weaker competition.

I'll take the two players that had 10 top 3 Hart finishes combined.
Who wins hart trophies? yes forwards and sometimes goalies. better to compare position specific trophies.

Vezina, Art Ross or Hart and Norris. now Lidstrom blows them out of the water

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