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Houston and Atlanta. Why hasn't the NHL been more active?

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02-17-2017, 06:48 PM
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Ha ha yeah Wally Carbo's frontman complaining about Mob Money.....just too damn funny and right out of the Twilight Zone LMAO
Oh yea, total embarrassment for the league. Can you imagine something like that happening today with the internet, wall~wall media coverage? And of course Jim Hendy & his investors, very upset about it. Threatened all manner of litigation, filed complaints all over the place, may well have been what prompted the FBI & the US Justice Department to go after Norris starting with the IBC which he was forced to dismantle. Very likely a deal cut whereby if he did that without appealing ruling after
ruling against him they'd leave the NHL alone otherwise that wouldve been the next domino to fall.

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Houston there is no arena available for hockey.
There is, but it's complicated.

From what I've read, Toyota Center is NHL ready (unless the criteria has changed that I am unaware of).

In a nutshell, a feud between Les Alexander and Chuck Watson, timed perfectly to coincide with the NHL's late 90's expansion, thwarted what should have been a Houston expansion team.

Chuck Watson brought the Aeros back to Houston (IHL) in the early 90's to groom the market for the NHL. He did a great job, too. The product on the ice was very good (including a '99 Turner Cup), and attendance was great.

It was a bizarre situation though, in which Les Alexander was leasing the Summit from Chuck Watson for the Rockets (and now defunct Comets).

Les Alexander wanted a new stadium for the Rockets that he controlled; and he had clout, having recently delivered the only two major championships to the city with the Rockets.

Apparently the fine print doesn't say explicitly that an NHL team in Houston must be owned by Les Alexander; but the financial ramifications for someone else leasing Toyota Center would never be agreed to by another owner. ( http://www.defendingbigd.com/2015/6/...as-City-Quebec )


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There is, but it's complicated.

From what I've read, Toyota Center is NHL ready (unless the criteria has changed that I am unaware of).

In a nutshell, a feud between Les Alexander and Chuck Watson, timed perfectly to coincide with the NHL's late 90's expansion, thwarted what should have been a Houston expansion team.

Chuck Watson brought the Aeros back to Houston (IHL) in the early 90's to groom the market for the NHL. He did a great job, too. The product on the ice was very good (including a '99 Turner Cup), and attendance was great.

It was a bizarre situation though, in which Les Alexander was leasing the Summit from Chuck Watson for the Rockets (and now defunct Comets).

Les Alexander wanted a new stadium for the Rockets that he controlled; and he had clout, having recently delivered the only two major championships to the city with the Rockets.

Apparently the fine print doesn't say explicitly that an NHL team in Houston must be owned by Les Alexander; but the financial ramifications for someone else leasing Toyota Center would never be agreed to by another owner. ( http://www.defendingbigd.com/2015/6/...as-City-Quebec )

EVERYONE knows the Aeros story by now, Aeroforce75, HOWEVER, Watson only owned the name of the franchise before selling the majority of the franchise over to the Minnesota Sports/Entertainment entity,aka, the Wild, HENCE why the odd agreement on MSE leasing the Toyota Center for the Aeros, until the lease negotiation drove both franchises to Des Moines. That's why you saw Watson's % OF THE FRANCHISE slowly dwindle, until the Wild bought the remainder of the franchise Watson had controlled.

The Comets were not shown the exit, not due to Alexander, but WNBA rules changed about having NBA teams own their WNBA franchises, and having them separated, not unlike what you're now seeing, with the Rockets(Rio Grande Valley Vipers), either outright owning a franchise or running the business end of an affiliation, ie a hybrid, it's just not in the same arena as the Parent NBA club, in the NBA Development League .

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EVERYONE knows the Aeros story by now, Aeroforce75, HOWEVER, Watson only owned the name of the franchise before selling the majority of the franchise over to the Minnesota Sports/Entertainment entity,aka, the Wild, HENCE why the odd agreement on MSE leasing the Toyota Center for the Aeros, until the lease negotiation drove both franchises to Des Moines. That's why you saw Watson's % OF THE FRANCHISE slowly dwindle, until the Wild bought the remainder of the franchise Watson had controlled.

The Comets were not shown the exit, not due to Alexander, but WNBA rules changed about having NBA teams own their WNBA franchises, and having them separated, not unlike what you're now seeing, with the Rockets(Rio Grande Valley Vipers), either outright owning a franchise or running the business end of an affiliation, ie a hybrid, it's just not in the same arena as the Parent NBA club, in the NBA Development League .
Sorry for the redundancy; just reading a ten page thread ripe with speculation and misinformation on why Houston wasn't more active in expansion plans, it didn't strike me that EVERYONE knew the real story.

It's sad in that Houston has an NHL ready arena, corporate sponsors, a history with hockey, a built in rivalry with Dallas, a large television audience, a diverse demographic the NHL must court going forward, etc., yet the chances of ever having a team are slim.

As for the Comets, I never really followed them. But playing devil's advocate, once the novelty was gone, and the team was no longer winning, attendance dwindled. If memory serves, they were even bought by some local furniture salesman and moved to a smaller venue; but the support still wasn't there.

That does support the notion that Houston is a bandwagon town, but then again the WNBA may not be the best indicator of that.

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Atlanta deserves another shot.

Move the Canes to the capital of the South. ATL has changed alot, even since 2011. More people are moving in-town, Atlanta has become a better sports city, more diverse populace etc.

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Atlanta deserves another shot.

Move the Canes to the capital of the South. ATL has changed alot, even since 2011. More people are moving in-town, Atlanta has become a better sports city, more diverse populace etc.
Im afraid I just dont see that happening anytime soon and its not the market that failed Atlanta & Georgia, it was intransigent ownership & the NHL.... Twice.... The Flames should never have beren allowed to move let alone the Thrashers.... Right there in Savannah, your hometown, the Savannah Tire Hockey Classic playing for the Thrasher Cup has been running strong since 1999, played out of the old Civic Center, great crowds & sponsors, annual event, real success story.... Healthy in-line hockey programs & league as well.... Its a shame, that a huge market that does love its hockey, Capital of the South has been so fecklessly treated, and its the NHL's loss & shame.

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Atlanta really has been victim to some bad ownership. Really unfortunate since I think, if executed well, it could for sure become the NHL's strongest southern market. Doubt they get another shot anytime soon though. Bad optics to go for a 3rd try and the population is a little worn out from losing 2 franchises already in the past 40 years.

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