C Mikhail Grigorenko - Quebec Remparts, QMJHL (2012 draft) III

[Djp]

Originally Posted by HABS2DCUP

Thats not really a surprise actually, theres a reason he dropped in the draft a lot of the scouts probably saw the same concerns. That being said, there is no denying the skill he possesses and if he is able to put it all together he will be one of the best players out of the 2012 draft.
As for concerns that Grigorenko isn't dominating the Q, thats understandable actually, playing in the NHL and then the QMJHL can also have a negative effect on a player. I am pretty sure his confidence took a hit when he was sent down and so his play suffered. But next season, he will come out strong and hopefully the Sabres don't rush him and let him play in the Q for another year, should do him wonders. Unless he can play in the AHL?

He should be fine next year. His play this year at the NHL level was screwed up.

Playing another year in Q will NOT help him. He needs to play in the NHL or the AHL.

This is why i feel the rules on the AHL need to change where 1st and 2nd round picks are automatically eligible for AHL...no matter the age. Its just the teams choics.

The reason he fell had more to do with the uncertainty because of him being Russian and the KHL threat. the team that own his rights seemed to threaten that they will try and swoop in and sign him to play....which would be a higher amount than what the NHL team could pay him.

Id rather have him loaned to the KHL team than play in the Q next year.

[Darcy Regier]

Originally Posted by Djp

He should be fine next year. His play this year at the NHL level was screwed up.

Playing another year in Q will NOT help him. He needs to play in the NHL or the AHL.

This is why i feel the rules on the AHL need to change where 1st and 2nd round picks are automatically eligible for AHL...no matter the age. Its just the teams choics.

The reason he fell had more to do with the uncertainty because of him being Russian and the KHL threat. the team that own his rights seemed to threaten that they will try and swoop in and sign him to play....which would be a higher amount than what the NHL team could pay him.

Id rather have him loaned to the KHL team than play in the Q next year.

The reason he fell is because he is enigmatic, shows up for some games but not others. All the talent in the world but will lack drive at times, hopfully he starts working harder and realises that he cant take shortcuts. He is still the best prospect picked after Trouba in the draft and easily worth the risk at #12.

With all the negativity he still nearly put up 2PPG.

[tsujimoto74]

Originally Posted by HABS2DCUP

Thats not really a surprise actually, theres a reason he dropped in the draft a lot of the scouts probably saw the same concerns. That being said, there is no denying the skill he possesses and if he is able to put it all together he will be one of the best players out of the 2012 draft.
As for concerns that Grigorenko isn't dominating the Q, thats understandable actually, playing in the NHL and then the QMJHL can also have a negative effect on a player. I am pretty sure his confidence took a hit when he was sent down and so his play suffered. But next season, he will come out strong and hopefully the Sabres don't rush him and let him play in the Q for another year, should do him wonders. Unless he can play in the AHL?

Would rather see him loaned to the KHL than back in the Q if he's not ready for the NHL still. Not sure what he's going to learn playing against boys that he can dominate when he feels like it, or when he can cut corners and still produce well over a PPG.

[Fedorov]

Sounds like the key to his career is in his head

[Habtchum*]

Originally Posted by tsujimoto74

Would rather see him loaned to the KHL than back in the Q if he's not ready for the NHL still. Not sure what he's going to learn playing against boys that he can dominate when he feels like it, or when he can cut corners and still produce well over a PPG.

Impossible. There is no business partnership between KHL and NHL clubs. If he goes there,(and doesn't respect his NHL contract with Buffalo) I am afraid he's gonna stay there.

The kid should be allright to start the season in Buffalo next Fall. Too bad they lost one precious year of eligibilty on his entry contract.

[WantEggRoll]

Didn't read the full 40 pages of this thread, but did they ever solve his "age rumor"? Thought there was some stupid story going around before the draft that he was actually 19 or 20.

[tsujimoto74]

Originally Posted by Maltese

Impossible. There is no business partnership between KHL and NHL clubs. If he goes there,(and doesn't respect his NHL contract with Buffalo) I am afraid he's gonna stay there.

The kid should be allright to start the season in Buffalo next Fall. Too bad they lost one precious year of eligibilty on his entry contract.

No, he's already under contract with Buffalo. Buffalo can absolutely loan him to the KHL if they want; as long as he's under contract to Buffalo he'll still have to come back, and there's absolutely nothing the kid's done to suggest he doesn't want to be an NHL player besides. Bruins loaned out Kokhalachev (sp?) to the KHL. It's a viable option, and one that'll do far, far more for his development, IMO, than playing another year of junior hockey

[Chainshot]

Any rumblings out of Quebec where he's heading (Rochester or Buffalo) now that the Remparts season is over?