Are any of those high profile? I am sure players do get expelled for low grades , but, I do think that when a high profile athlete that makes the school a lot of money has low grades, shady things do happen. It is just way to much money to turn down.
I am sure no one is told they have to pass any one, but I bet there are athletes that get tons of special tutoring, get put in the easiest classes ect.... I doubt it is as bad as simply giving the athlete a passing grade, but I am sure shady things do take place.
What you are now describing is a completely different story. And the prof would have been made aware of this.
Every university has its procedures for grade approval. Professors in most schools can have their grades changed if they are deemed to be inappropriate. typically though this is very rare. I've actually had to testify at a formal arbitration hearing on exactly this matter during my last term as a department Chair. As a bonus I got to spend a fair bit of time with a bunch of lawyers who I can assure you took this all very seriously.
That said I am not going to argue with anyone that grade inflation does not exist, or that there are never inappropriate things that happen. But your previous post suggested that grades for individual student atheltes would be changed without the profs knowledge for the purposes of keeping them in school. That is fraud. On a wide scale people would go to jail.
Ya, I doubt this happens, well much. I am sure it has happened, at some point, but ya, it woudln't happen much.
That said I am not going to argue with anyone that grade inflation does not exist, or that there are never inappropriate things that happen. But your previous post suggested that grades for individual student atheltes would be changed without the profs knowledge for the purposes of keeping them in school. That is fraud. On a wide scale people would go to jail.
I think we have taken this way off line. It would seem that I am not going to convince anyone who thinks that all of this is routine and a I am not going to be convinced that it does. So perhaps we should let it die.
Huh? That's exactly what you were doing, isn't it?
You were acting like the money from the sports programs meant hardly anything to the uni's and that profs were handing out grades with no pressure from above.
And wasn't grade inflation an urban myth earlier about 3 posts ago?
I have a question regarding our beloved NHL players vs other pro sports? What is the average education of the NHL? Would you consider it grade 12? and what do you think the average education of let say NFL? University degrees or in the NBA same? Its at least college in other pro sports.
The reason I ask, the tweets from the players in the NHL regarding the lockout seems to be childish and not professional. I am sick and tired of hearing the whining about Gary Bettman and the NHL Lockout, these players make millions of dollars with perks like not paying for travel or hotels or food etc.. with quite a few of the players that have no more than a grade 12 education, suck it up buttercup and take the deal given and lets play hockey!
SO ALL OF US WHO PAY YOUR SALARY CAN GET BACK TO WATCHING OUR FAVORITE SPORT
A DISGRUNTLED FAN
MOD Why not talk about the owners and their education.you might not know they could be just morons who got riched because they were born in riches.
Last edited by Fugu: 12-01-2012 at 10:56 PM.
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Students are being graded in some administrative black box. That's what I'm saying here.
This has nothing to do with student athletes though. If you have an issue with this, it's a more systemic issue with Universities in general.
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Technically my salary was paid by a research grant provided by CAPP. I would not have had a job if we didn't have that grant. My university benefits were laughable at best. My office was shared with all the grade students while classes were in session, but during the summer I moved into an unused lab/classroom to work out of, it was pretty ghetto. Any money the university paid for administrative support was completely wasted because they were beyond useless.
I don't know why the education level of athletes matters. School by itself doesn't make you more intelligent or necessarily more knowledgable. Someone goes and takes a degree in Philosophy or Biology or English. What does any of that have to do sports and contract law? And I would dispute that university by itself makes you more mature. IMO, how you're raised has a lot more to do with that.
I don't know why the education level of athletes matters. School by itself doesn't make you more intelligent or necessarily more knowledgable. Someone goes and takes a degree in Philosophy or Biology or English. What does any of that have to do sports and contract law? And I would dispute that university by itself makes you more mature. IMO, how you're raised has a lot more to do with that.
I think the biggest thing and we see it a lot with small business owners and farmers is that when you are directly affected by something you learn about it to help benefit you. There are all sorts of these people that know jack **** about financials, but as time goes on it's in their benefit to learn what they can and can't do and take advantage of it.
I'm sure hockey players are no different. Not saying all are going to fully understand contract law or negotiations, but over time they will have a better understanding of it if they apply themselves.
It's not really "my" university, it's the Province of Alberta's University. To be fair the entire University system is pretty ghetto once you peel the layers back.
Trying to take this thread back on topic:
Here's an article about student athletes getting preferential treatment and credits for classes on diverse topics such as opening folders in Windows and what vitamins they take.
It's not really "my" university, it's the Province of Alberta's University. To be fair the entire University system is pretty ghetto once you peel the layers back.
Eh, as a former employee of the University of Alberta, I'll just agree to disagree with your assessment of the quality/distribution of their compensation models and benefits.
