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04-21-2017, 11:20 AM
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playoff expansion is likely. I'd rather it be a short series than a 1 game thing. i would also like if the NHL added a tiebreaker game if 2 teams are tied in points at the end of the season. WHA had that, and it works. So this year Toronto and Boston would have played a tiebreaker for the 3 seed in the Atlantic, with the loser getting a wildcard.
I'd be all for a tie-breaker if and only if it meant the loser is out. A tie-breaker to determine 2nd vs 3rd place or 3rd vs the wild-card is a waste and I doubt the teams would want it. However, if two teams are tied for the last wild card spot, or 3rd when both wild-cards are coming from the other division? Go for it.

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I would like to see a league wide format that would look like this

The top team in the league gets a 'bye' in the 1st round... you worked hard in the regular season and are the best team you can rest for the first round

The 15 and 16th teams , play a one game sudden death game. Hosted by 15th team

Whoever wins ... Plays the 2nd best record team...

1st 3 rounds format will be 2-3-2 (due to potential travel headaches)

Finals format 2-2-1-1-1

Why this works: all year long you mainly play your division rivals.. then again in the playoffs? Kind of tiresome. This way you create new rivalries year after year. And for the finals ...yes the Bruins can potentially meet the Habs and Canucks can meet the Kings. Why the hell not?

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I would like to see a league wide format that would look like this

The top team in the league gets a 'bye' in the 1st round... you worked hard in the regular season and are the best team you can rest for the first round

The 15 and 16th teams , play a one game sudden death game. Hosted by 15th team

Whoever wins ... Plays the 2nd best record team...

1st 3 rounds format will be 2-3-2 (due to potential travel headaches)

Finals format 2-2-1-1-1

Why this works: all year long you mainly play your division rivals.. then again in the playoffs? Kind of tiresome. This way you create new rivalries year after year. And for the finals ...yes the Bruins can potentially meet the Habs and Canucks can meet the Kings. Why the hell not?
So, the owners reward for winning the President's Trophy is losing revenue on 4 potential home play-off games? Secondly, anything that simply seeds teams 1-16 is never happening so it is not even worth discussing.

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It's bull that the Pens and Caps (the 2 best teams left in the East) are pretty much damned into facing each other in the 2nd round when both likely could have and should have met in the ECF with the trip to the SCF on the line.

This divisional format is absolute crap

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It's bull that the Pens and Caps (the 2 best teams left in the East) are pretty much damned into facing each other in the 2nd round when both likely could have and should have met in the ECF with the trip to the SCF on the line.

This divisional format is absolute crap
Indeed, there is nothing good about the current format.

Sure, people can say 'you have to be able to beat anyone if you want to win the Cup', but the current system makes a mockery of the regular season. You end up with teams who did well face tough competition, while those who did worse get a much easier opponent.

To make things worse, you create a much tougher path for some teams. There is something wrong with the league when the second best team of the regular season has to play the fourth best in the first round, followed by the first and second best teams facing each other in the next. Not only get the best teams robbed of the opponents they deserved to face after their regular season, but they also might be more tired by the 3rd or 4th round due to having play such strong teams all the time.

Go back to the conference format and have either the division champions be ranked 1st and 2nd, or just guarantee them home-ice advantage. That way you don't end up with obscure situations like you currently do.

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It's bull that the Pens and Caps (the 2 best teams left in the East) are pretty much damned into facing each other in the 2nd round when both likely could have and should have met in the ECF with the trip to the SCF on the line.

This divisional format is absolute crap
And this hybrid divisional/conference format exists for the same reasons it existed in the 80's.

Things swing back and forth. This format will most likely change at some point. Especially if there's a larger realignment if/when that 32nd team comes to be. There was also the Metro this season too. If a 6th team in a division were to be better than the 3rd or 4th in the other division in future years, that would be another impetus for change.

I'm still in favor of my own previous idea(which, of course I would be) of getting a little crazy and allowing both conferences to have different playoff formats should they so choose, which recognizes the different geographical realities of each one. A strict 1-8 in the East is easy, division winners don't even need a seeding advantage. I think the 15 teams in the West should be able to get together, and vote on their own playoff format. Strict top 4, this wild card business, some sort of modified wild card, or 1-8, etc, however they want to do it, because 7pm isn't the same everywhere in the West.

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It's bull that the Pens and Caps (the 2 best teams left in the East) are pretty much damned into facing each other in the 2nd round when both likely could have and should have met in the ECF with the trip to the SCF on the line.
Aaaaaaaand, what if one of them lost in the 2nd round anyway?

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Aaaaaaaand, what if one of them lost in the 2nd round anyway?
I'm not sure how a hypothetical question helps here. The reason I'm bringing this up is that one of these teams IS going to lose in the 2nd round anyway and the current divisional format essentially guarantees that due to the fact that the Caps and Pens are liable to finish 1/2 in the Metro every year.

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Indeed, there is nothing good about the current format.

Sure, people can say 'you have to be able to beat anyone if you want to win the Cup', but the current system makes a mockery of the regular season. You end up with teams who did well face tough competition, while those who did worse get a much easier opponent.

To make things worse, you create a much tougher path for some teams. There is something wrong with the league when the second best team of the regular season has to play the fourth best in the first round, followed by the first and second best teams facing each other in the next. Not only get the best teams robbed of the opponents they deserved to face after their regular season, but they also might be more tired by the 3rd or 4th round due to having play such strong teams all the time.

Go back to the conference format and have either the division champions be ranked 1st and 2nd, or just guarantee them home-ice advantage. That way you don't end up with obscure situations like you currently do.
They should've just left the damn thing alone. It's needlessly complicated as well as inconvenient.

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And this hybrid divisional/conference format exists for the same reasons it existed in the 80's.

Things swing back and forth. This format will most likely change at some point. Especially if there's a larger realignment if/when that 32nd team comes to be. There was also the Metro this season too. If a 6th team in a division were to be better than the 3rd or 4th in the other division in future years, that would be another impetus for change.

I'm still in favor of my own previous idea(which, of course I would be) of getting a little crazy and allowing both conferences to have different playoff formats should they so choose, which recognizes the different geographical realities of each one. A strict 1-8 in the East is easy, division winners don't even need a seeding advantage. I think the 15 teams in the West should be able to get together, and vote on their own playoff format. Strict top 4, this wild card business, some sort of modified wild card, or 1-8, etc, however they want to do it, because 7pm isn't the same everywhere in the West.
I'm pretty sure that as soon as there's 32 team they're gonna do the divisions and conferences exactly like the NFL.

Personally in the event of a 32 team expansion I'd go back to the old playoff format, create 2 new divisions (bringing it to 6 total) bring back the old names (i.e Campbell conference, Adams division) and utilize a 5-5-6 split in both conferences. Sure it sucks for the division who has an extra team but it's a small discrepancy when you have 32 teams total. Plus the conferences would be balanced and there's not divisions with 8 teams in it. Anything more than 6 teams is ridiculous.

And geographically it's ridiculous that Edmonton shares a division with San Jose and Tampa shares a division with Canada, Buffalo and Boston.

Reduced travel my ass


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They should've just left the damn thing alone. It's needlessly complicated as well as inconvenient.
yep
wasn't broke but they tried to fix it
are they surprised that there's been some media grumbling about how silly this format is?

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yep
wasn't broke but they tried to fix it
are they surprised that there's been some media grumbling about how silly this format is?
But rivalries!!! And that's supposed to somehow excuse the fact that Ottawa also has home ice over the NYR who have more points than them. FUBAR isn't a sufficient enough adjective to describe the playoffs and divisions anymore.

BUT RIVALRIES!!!!!!!

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I'd expect playoffs to expand shortly. I assume a wildcard game is coming within the next 5 years.

I remember reading a single home playoff game is worth 1 million in profit to a team.
The wildcard game is getting pretty heavy criticism from fans and players in baseball. I'm not sure I ever see that coming into the NHL. If it does I'm betting it's a best of 3.

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The wildcard game is getting pretty heavy criticism from fans and players in baseball. I'm not sure I ever see that coming into the NHL. If it does I'm betting it's a best of 3.
But it gets rave reviews from ownership, extending playoff races, and team relevance through a bigger portion of the season, which means more tickets sold, and more eyeballs on the product, not to mention inventing an extra playoff game to get additional revenue.

Maybe a best of 3, but I bet with the next CBA we see some sort of play in game, similar to baseball.

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The Wildcard game is actual a great idea for baseball because its a must win game like the NFL playoffs and March Madness. Plus, baseball have less teams in the playoffs. There are 16 teams in the NHL playoffs, it wouldn't make sense for a wildcard game.

We had 18 overtime games in the first round. I don't know about you, but I love it.

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