Will the Oilers pick #1 overall again?

[5cupstandard]

Originally Posted by fly4apuckguy

Any fan who thinks they have anything to do with the hiring or firing of front office people in the NHL is delusional. PR does not drive management decisions. Burke got fired because the Leafs sucked. Wilson got fired because the Leafs sucked.

pay close attention to 1:46... Thinking outcry from fans does not induce changes or decisions from management is what is delusional.

[fly4apuckguy]

Originally Posted by 5cupstandard

pay close attention to 1:46... Thinking outcry from fans does not induce changes or decisions from management is what is delusional.

So what you are saying is Wilson got fired because Burke did not want to subject him to the fans in Toronto anymore?

Yeah, okay.

You completely missed his point with the comment he made. That was a shot at the fans. That was not an acceptance of their behavior.

[BlamBlam]

I don't see the players they might trade at the deadline keeping them from being competitive. Its going to take some injuries to keep them down with the real sellers and I think they'll want to prove to everyone they team is making strides even if they finish out of the playoffs.

[fly4apuckguy]

Funny how a couple of wins will kill a good hate thread. lol

[5cupstandard]

Originally Posted by fly4apuckguy

So what you are saying is Wilson got fired because Burke did not want to subject him to the fans in Toronto anymore?

Yeah, okay.

You completely missed his point with the comment he made. That was a shot at the fans. That was not an acceptance of their behavior.

I never said it was an acceptance of behavior, All I was IMPLYING was that it won't go unheard.

[TheNumber4]

Originally Posted by Highway to Cap Hell

And the other side of the story:

Impact players on the team's Cup Winning team NOT drafted in the first round:

Pittsburgh: Pascal Dupuis (trade), Fedotenko (FA), Hal Gill (trade), Sergei Gonchar (FA), Bill Guerin (Trade), Tyler Kennedy (Draft, 4th round), Chris Kunitz (Trade for former 1st rounder), Chris Letang (3rd round) and Rob Scuderi (draft, 5th round).

Chicago: Dave Bolland (Draft, 2nd round), Troy Brouwer (Draft, 7th round), Byfuglien (draft, 7th round), Brian Campbell (FA), Hjalmmersson (Draft, 4th round), Hossa (FA), Keith (Draft, 2nd round), Tomas Kopecky (FA), Andrew Ladd (trade of former first rounder), Niemi (Undrafted FA), Patrick Sharp (trade, minor league deal) and Kris Versteeg (minor League trade).

Look at that depth. Both teams surrounded their young superstars with an amazing nucleus of talent. The Hawks got a TON of depth/talent from the draft, and the Pens got a TON of talent from trades and FA signings. Compare that to Edmonton's current core.

Edmonton has done neither. Their picks outside the first round are unimpressive, and Tambellini has not made a single move to try and improve his hockey team. That's not a recipe for success.

This ARGUMENT IS FLAWED. You are comparing the CUP WINNING teams of Chicago and Pittsburgh to the Oilers team in the 4th Year of their rebuild. Do you want to know where the players you listed were in the 4th years of Chicago's and Pittsburghs rebuilds? Many of them were not even on the team yet. So you are criticizing the Oilers for not doing enough, well it takes TIME to build a team back from being dead last in the league. The Oilers rebuild is not too far behind where the Penguins and Blackhawks were, and those teams had 1 extra year of development for their young guns because of the lockout. Not to mention Pittsburgh and Chicago got better 1st Overalls than the Oilers did. Take a look below and see how FLAWED your argument is:

Dupuis - NOT on the 2006-2007 Penguins
Fedotenko - NOT on the 2006-2007 Penguins
Gill - NOT on the 2006-2007 Penguins
Gonchar - Was there
Guerin - NOT on the 2006-2007 Penguins
Kennedy - Did not play/emerge in 2006-2007 Penguins
Kunitz - NOT on the 2006-2007 Penguins
Letang - Only played 7 games in 2006-2007
Scuderi - Was there, but is NOT an impact player

Boland - Only played half the season in 2007-2008, his FIRST real season in NHL
Brouyer - Played 2 games in 2007-2008
Byfuglien - Played well in 2007-2008
Campbell - Did not play in 2007-2008
Hjalmmerson - Only played 13 games in 2007-2008
Hossa - Did not play in 2007-2008
Keith - Played okay in 2007-2008 but not at his full potential yet
Kopecky - Did not play in 2007-2008
Ladd - Played 20 games in 2007-2008, just traded to Chicago
Niemi - Did not play in 2007-2008
Sharp - Played well in 2007-2008
Versteeg - Only played 13 games in 2007-2008

To everyone else in this thread with Oiler hate on:
It's much to early to hate on the Oilers and deem this rebuild a failure. Pittsburgh, Washington, Chicago, AND Los Angeles took time to rebuild from dead last. The Oilers haven't had as much time as those teams yet, the best that can be hoped for this year from the Oilers is to be a play off bubble team, which is still a possibility this year. If you expected more this soon then you have unrealistic expectations. The Oilers DO have nice pieces moving forward outside of the 1st overall picks just like those teams did in the 4th year after hitting rock bottom in the league. We got Shultz, Dubnyk, Smid, Eberle, PRV and Brown. More will come from free agency and trades. There hasn't been enough time to allow for the Free Agents and Trades to make it here yet.

[lakai17]

Originally Posted by Kershaw

Will the Oilers pick #1 overall again?

No, not with Paajarvi in the lineup.

[Highway to Cap Hell]

Originally Posted by TheNumber4

This ARGUMENT IS FLAWED. You are comparing the CUP WINNING teams of Chicago and Pittsburgh to the Oilers team in the 4th Year of their rebuild. Do you want to know where the players you listed were in the 4th years of Chicago's and Pittsburghs rebuilds? Many of them were not even on the team yet. So you are criticizing the Oilers for not doing enough, well it takes TIME to build a team back from being dead last in the league. The Oilers rebuild is not too far behind where the Penguins and Blackhawks were, and those teams had 1 extra year of development for their young guns because of the lockout. Not to mention Pittsburgh and Chicago got better 1st Overalls than the Oilers did. Take a look below and see how FLAWED your argument is:

The reason I compared it was to show people that the "Pittsburgh" and "Chicago" rebuilds are more than just tanking and getting high draftpicks. It requires either getting a huge investment out of your late rounders, or a great trading record and careful FA signings.

The only person the Oilers have signed that is an impact player is a rookie with great potential (a buzzword I hear a lot concerning the Oilers). They have drafted no impact players outside of the first round. The only noteworthy trade was botched after the party involved declined to waive his NTC (and looking back, I think the Oilers dodged a bullet).

You showed it yourself in the list you made that I deleted for the sake of space. The Blackhawks already had half of the players I mentioned on the roster or in the system. Pittsburgh was less, due to their reliance on FA signings and trades.

I have no confidence in the Oilers management that they can turn around the ship. In fact, their mantra is to "rebuild through the draft"; ie, not trying to improve their team.

[TheNumber4]

Originally Posted by Highway to Cap Hell

The reason I compared it was to show people that the "Pittsburgh" and "Chicago" rebuilds are more than just tanking and getting high draftpicks. It requires either getting a huge investment out of your late rounders, or a great trading record and careful FA signings.

The only person the Oilers have signed that is an impact player is a rookie with great potential (a buzzword I hear a lot concerning the Oilers). They have drafted no impact players outside of the first round. The only noteworthy trade was botched after the party involved declined to waive his NTC (and looking back, I think the Oilers dodged a bullet).

You showed it yourself in the list you made that I deleted for the sake of space. The Blackhawks already had half of the players I mentioned on the roster or in the system. Pittsburgh was less, due to their reliance on FA signings and trades.

I have no confidence in the Oilers management that they can turn around the ship. In fact, their mantra is to "rebuild through the draft"; ie, not trying to improve their team.

You're right, Chicago and Pittsburgh's rebuilds are more than just building through the draft. BUT there is NO EVIDENCE that the Oilers are not doing this... yet. And how do you know the Oiler don't have impact players outside of drafting in the first? How do you know this when they haven't made an impact yet, JUST like no one knew back in 2007-2008 regarding half of Chicago's impact players. We got guys like Smid who will match or out do the likes the Hjallmerson. Eberle should at least match a player like Sharp. Gagner might match or outdo the contributions of Ladd. Shulz might hit his potential and be up there with Keith. Plus let's not forget the kids in the system that haven't come up yet like Klefbom, Reider, and Marancin. Who are you to say these won't become contributors this early in the rebuild? The fact of the matter is you don't. You are making assumptions and have no real perspective on the situation. I don't know that this Oilers rebuild will go the right way either, but atleast I have perspective on the situation.

You are judging the Oilers rebuild too soon and this is ILLOGICAL.

[5RingsAndABeer]

TheNumber4 is just owning this thread right now. Fantastic posts. I appreciate the research