Additionally Burke recaptured some good value for acquiring Versteeg, despite him not fitting here. He got Phili's 1st and 3rd rounders which have turned into Percy and Leivo who are solid looking prospects based on how they've performed this year.
The Tlusty deal slightly backfired, but I doubt he would have gotten the same kind of chance here as he has in Carolina.
I didn't mind the Tlusty deal just because his window with this team was closing and I don't see where he would've fit. Paradis wasn't fantastic, but neither player would've been Leaf regulars today IMO.
Personally I don't recall Chiarelli and Burke ever discussing trading Kadri+Kaberle for Kessel.
I do recall Burke having a package in place to get the 5th overall in the 2009 draft that involved trading Kaberle to LA, but trade talks broke down at the last second because it turned out LA was under the impression that they were getting Kaberle + TOR 1st 2009 for LA 1st 2009.
As for the Offer Sheet option for Kessel, Chiarelli had been given authorization from ownership to keep Kessel if there was an offer sheet.
So Burke would've only succeeded is getting the price higher for Kessel and he'd still be a Bruin, he'd have at least one Stanley Cup ring, and Seguin would be all ours...
Of course then people would be ragging on Burke for ending up with Seguin when we ALMOST had Kessel!
Personally I don't recall Chiarelli and Burke ever discussing trading Kadri+Kaberle for Kessel.
I do recall Burke having a package in place to get the 5th overall in the 2009 draft that involved trading Kaberle to LA, but trade talks broke down at the last second because it turned out LA was under the impression that they were getting Kaberle + TOR 1st 2009 for LA 1st 2009.
You don't? Did you watch the 2009 draft? It was all they seemed to talk about. Chia wanted Kadri and Kaberle for Kessel, Burke thought it was Kessel and their first for Kaberle.
You don't? Did you watch the 2009 draft? It was all they seemed to talk about. Chia wanted Kadri and Kaberle for Kessel, Burke thought it was Kessel and their first for Kaberle.
As for the Offer Sheet option for Kessel, Chiarelli had been given authorization from ownership to keep Kessel if there was an offer sheet.
So Burke would've only succeeded is getting the price higher for Kessel and he'd still be a Bruin, he'd have at least one Stanley Cup ring, and Seguin would be all ours...
Of course then people would be ragging on Burke for ending up with Seguin when we ALMOST had Kessel!
Given the green light is different than doing. Kessel was unhappy there
Have atleast one ring? According to who? They would have had less cap room, so different players
No kidding eh. Especially in hindsight. But it still made no sence why he didn't pull the trigger. You'd get a young stud for a 7th overall pick and a declining dman when you know you are a few years away from competing and that player has a NMC during the season so it is one of your only chances to get something good for him.
I liked the Komisarek signing at the time, he always played us tough. Probably 80% of you felt the same way at the time. I was worried the draft picks in the Kessel trade would haunt us when it first happened. We are the Leafs and whenever we trade a first rounder it's a bad decision. Probably about 75% of you felt that way at the time. Signing Tim Connelly was worth a try, it obviously didn't work, all we lose is cap space so big deal, willing to bet half of you felt the same way. I didn't think Lupul would pan out, a pleasant surprise, 98% probably thought the same thing. Kadri seemed like a good selection, and still has hope of working out, I bet at least half of you would have drafted him too.
Hindsight is always 20/20. If we're honest with ourselves and think back to when Burke made these moves alot of us cheered at our acquisitions.
I liked the Komisarek signing at the time, he always played us tough. Probably 80% of you felt the same way at the time.
Liked the signing, hated the cap hit.
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I was worried the draft picks in the Kessel trade would haunt us when it first happened. We are the Leafs and whenever we trade a first rounder it's a bad decision. Probably about 75% of you felt that way at the time.
Didn't mind the trade as much as some. Phil Kessel a sniper, in it's purest form. He is easily the best player in that deal today, and he was then as well. One day Seguin might be better, but he's not right now. I still feel like a lot of what we're seeing from Tyler Seguin is a product of the team he plays for and the system he plays in. Had we drafted him, I don't think we'd be witnessing the same player. As it stands, we got the best player in that deal and until that changes, if it even does, Toronto wins the trade.
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Signing Tim Connelly was worth a try, it obviously didn't work, all we lose is cap space so big deal, willing to bet half of you felt the same way.
Hated the Connolly signing then, hate it now. Overpayment, huge risk, and I have never been a Connolly fan. I never wanted to have anything to do with him.
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I didn't think Lupul would pan out, a pleasant surprise, 98% probably thought the same thing.
I was indifferent about Lupul. I was much more interested in seeing what Gardiner would gve us. I expected that, at best, Lupul would be a serviceable early 20's goal scorer. Blew my expectations away.
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Kadri seemed like a good selection, and still has hope of working out, I bet at least half of you would have drafted him too.
I actually would have drafted him even if I had made the trade for the Kings' 5th overall pick. I like Kadri a lot more than Brayden Schenn. I personally think the Kadri pick was a solid selection.
You forgot Rickard Rakell to the Ducks. Although you shouldn't have included the Kaberle deal, it has nothing to do with Kessel.
To me, that's debatable. You don't think Burke was able to squeeze a little bit more out of Chiarellii for Kaberle because it looked like the Kessel deal was favoring the Bruins?
And you knew that we were going to be a top 2 draft pick comming into the season when the rest of the hockey world expected us to finish around our typical 7-12 pick? I thought we were supposed to be honest with ourselves in this discussion?
Were those optimistic predictions made before or after the Leafs traded for Kessel (without losing a roster player) and signed two expensive defensemen? If we're being honest, Christ.
Who's that? Stamkos is leading this year, Perry led last year, and Crosby and Stamkos were tied two years ago. Then we had Ovy leading for a few years. So who did Burke bring in that is a league-leading goal scorer?
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a future all star defenseman in Gardiner
You can see in the future? Cool, Hamilton will be a future Hall of Famer. And next Friday's lotto numbers are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 69
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and he rebuilt the prospect pool from the ground up.
What does this even mean? A team that's near the bottom of the league should be acquiring prospects. Six straight years in the bottom ten of the league and the Leafs still don't have a real blue-chip prospect.
Who's that? Stamkos is leading this year, Perry led last year, and Crosby and Stamkos were tied two years ago. Then we had Ovy leading for a few years. So who did Burke bring in that is a league-leading goal scorer?
You can see in the future? Cool, Hamilton will be a future Hall of Famer. And next Friday's lotto numbers are 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 69
What does this even mean? A team that's near the bottom of the league should be acquiring prospects. Six straight years in the bottom ten of the league and the Leafs still don't have a real blue-chip prospect.
I described Kessel as A league leading goal scorer. Didnt say THE league leading goal scorer. Was it that hard to figure out, or are you just after an argument?
Dont need to see the future. Every pro scout, and recently, even Bowman acknowledged that Gardiner projects as a very special breed of player. But thanks for the tip on the lotto numbers...
If you cant see the difference between today's prospect depth and what was here when Burke arrived, youre on your own. And if you want to pretend that the obvious improvement in the quality of organizational depth is the result of anything less than astute asset management and resourcefulness, youre choosing to be oblivious to what is glaringly apparent.
