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RWs: Alfie vs. Hossa

View Poll Results: RWs: Who's better? Alfie vs. Hossa
Hossa 9 32.14%
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03-17-2012, 07:24 AM
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Does it mean a whole lot though when you can't lift your team out of the first round? Even in 2006 when they made the second round Alfredsson was heavily criticized for not stepping up in the Buffalo series. The entire Pizza Line did very little when it mattered. But Alfie had 10 points in 10 games in 2006 so does that mean all is well?
Maybe you should do some fact checking before making bs claims.

The Pizza line didnt play together for most of 2006. Alfredsson is the only player on those sens roster who didnt choke when it mattered.

From the playoffs in 97-07 Alfredsson was the most important player although he had two notable bad playoff performances in 01 and I think 03.

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03-17-2012, 07:51 AM
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Does it mean a whole lot though when you can't lift your team out of the first round? Even in 2006 when they made the second round Alfredsson was heavily criticized for not stepping up in the Buffalo series. The entire Pizza Line did very little when it mattered. But Alfie had 10 points in 10 games in 2006 so does that mean all is well?
The impact an individual forward has is little, comparatively. One has to distinguish team performance from the case of individual performance.

Ray Emery had a 0.864 save % in the Buffalo series. What was Alfredsson to do?

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03-17-2012, 07:56 AM
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The impact an individual forward has is little, comparatively. One has to distinguish team performance from the case of individual performance.

Ray Emery had a 0.864 save % in the Buffalo series. What was Alfredsson to do?
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03-17-2012, 08:32 AM
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Playoff points per game

St Louis = 1.08 (68 points in 65 games)
Iginla = 0.91 (49 points in 54 games)
Alfredsson = 0.82 (88 points in 107 games)
Hossa = 0.76 (97 points in 127 games)

St Louis is one of the best playoff performers of his generation.

Iginla and Alfredsson are probably pretty close to each other when you consider how many more playoff games Alfredsson played.

Hossa has played a lot of playoff games as a complementary player on *a string of stacked teams, but as a star player, his playoff record is terrible. *The only time he was over a point per game in the playoffs is when he was on Crosby's wing.*
If you just look at points. I hardly think Hossa and "terrible playoff record" should be in the same sentence. Hossa is a tremendous two way winger. He was extremely valuable on every team he has played on in the playoffs. He never has disappeared. Sometimes he hasn't got a point a game but so what? He might not be the best playoff performer of all time but "terrible" is a ridiculous word to use in describing any Hossa playoff run. That is a word that should be associated with Yashin playoff perfromance not Hossa.

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03-17-2012, 08:42 AM
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I think Iginla's peak and overall great regular seasons trump Alfredsson's. The Hart voting comparison isn't even worth brining up. I think his playoff resume is very Dionne-like, but his regular seasons are enough to make me put him over the top for Alfredsson.




Well the key word is "caliber". I too would have given it to Crosby had the Pens won. But Hossa still did score those goals and put up some gaudy numbers. Kind of like how Kurri had a "Conn Smythe caliber" year in 1985 but no one would argue that Gretzky wins it. No, Hossa is not Kurri, but you get the point. It was a very good playoff year.

And 2003 is an example of which player really mailed it in. Alfredsson was awful that year. Hossa, for the most part, pulled his weight.
"mailed it in" doesn't describe Alfredsson ever. Alfredsson has always been good in the playoffs. He also has played regardless of any injuries he might have. A couple of years when the rest of the Sens were mostly actually "mailing it in" Alfredsson started to play to hard and force plays and tried to do too much, making him less successful until 2007 when he had a SMythe worthy playoff. Early in his career, the first several times the Sens made the playoffs Alfredsson was the best Senator every year.

We need to not use the words "terrible" or "mailed it in" when talking about Alfredsson or Hossa in the playoffs. They are ridiculous words or phrases to use when describing these players. I don't think either of these players ever "mailed it in" in a single regular season game in their entire careers. That is why they have always been great players. It isn't how they ever played or ever will play. Unsuccessful sometimes, trying TOO hard and forcing themselves when their teams struggled yes. Scored less then they might have, snakebitten, yes. Terrible? Never. Mailing it in is laughable. Both players work harder on the ice every single shift then almost anyone else I have ever seen.

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The impact an individual forward has is little, comparatively. One has to distinguish team performance from the case of individual performance.

Ray Emery had a 0.864 save % in the Buffalo series. What was Alfredsson to do?
Honestly it was a failure of leadership so Alfie has to take some blame for the lockeroom as Captain but not on the ice. The entire team was caught up in the Hasek coming back drama and the entire team played scared of Emery's goaltending for the stretch run and the playoffs.

That 2006 Sens team was stacked... they had one of the best rosters of a team post lockout. Still they lost to a really good Buffalo team but they should have won even with Emery in nets.

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He is having one this year.

I dont see him anyhow to catch Iginla or St. Louis, he would have to have Hart trophy calibre season. To pass Alfredsson he just need to age better.
That's gonna be tough enough. Alfredsson aged well.

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