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Prust hit on Stepan Pt. 3 (Suspended Two Games) (Mod Warning in OP)

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05-27-2014, 02:45 PM
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That angle makes the Gryba hit all the more of a beauty.

Eller got his face rearranged by the ice, not Gryba's shoulder to his chest.
ughh this again?

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Is this supposed to be a serious post? If so, thank you for illustrating that you have no actual knowledge of medical treatment and detection equipment. X-rays are actually very unreliable compared to more in-depth magnetic scans like MRIs and CTs (the latter of which was what revealed Stepan's injury). Serious injuries are missed by initial x-rays all the time.

So no, your assertion that Stepan's jaw was somehow broken at another time after being drilled in the jaw by Prust's shoulder is mind-numbingly preposterous. Then again, it's right in line with many of the other claims I've seen made in this series, so perhaps I shouldn't be that surprised.
Lol not to mention even initial MRI scans can miss serious injuries. With shoulder injuries all the time they have to do an MRI with contrast dye to really figure out what's wrong. I just don't understand how somebody could honestly be that ignorant. Also how people think Stepan wouldn't be able to yell after impact like that is extremely laughable. It's called adrenaline. I'm an exercise science major the human body can do some fascinating things believe it or not

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Yes. The lengths the Rangers will go to justify Prust being suspended for 2 games is mind boggling...but hey...playoff hockey...we still have Price out hoping the NHL might change their mind and give Kreider something...or at least force him to show some kind of remorse, and absolve Emelin of all blame.
What's he supposed to show remorse for? Getting a prime breakaway opportunity taken away in a ECF game because a guy is too slow and had to trip him? Kreider could have been hurt just as bad if not worse, look at Miller messing his shoulder up from a love tap into the post.

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Is this supposed to be a serious post? If so, thank you for illustrating that you have no actual knowledge of medical treatment and detection equipment. X-rays are actually very unreliable compared to more in-depth magnetic scans like MRIs and CTs (the latter of which was what revealed Stepan's injury). Serious injuries are missed by initial x-rays all the time.

So no, your assertion that Stepan's jaw was somehow broken at another time after being drilled in the jaw by Prust's shoulder is mind-numbingly preposterous. Then again, it's right in line with many of the other claims I've seen made in this series, so perhaps I shouldn't be that surprised.
Add in the fact that the x-ray taken in the locker room was most likely read by an orthopaedic surgeon or sports med doc rather than a radiologist...

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05-27-2014, 03:44 PM
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Is this supposed to be a serious post? If so, thank you for illustrating that you have no actual knowledge of medical treatment and detection equipment. X-rays are actually very unreliable compared to more in-depth magnetic scans like MRIs and CTs (the latter of which was what revealed Stepan's injury). Serious injuries are missed by initial x-rays all the time.

So no, your assertion that Stepan's jaw was somehow broken at another time after being drilled in the jaw by Prust's shoulder is mind-numbingly preposterous. Then again, it's right in line with many of the other claims I've seen made in this series, so perhaps I shouldn't be that surprised.
By your statement, if X-ray reveled nothing and X-ray are unreliable, how can it be impossible that a later incident caused the injury? There might be a slight possibility, yet I'm sure your experience would lead to an improbable but not impossible possibility.

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By your statement, if X-ray reveled nothing and X-ray are unreliable, how can it be impossible that a later incident caused the injury? There might be a slight possibility, yet I'm sure your experience would lead to an improbable but not impossible possibility.
Jaws are pretty hard to fracture, weird how the only time it happens is when you take a slapshot to the face or a hit like Prust's huh

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05-27-2014, 04:00 PM
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Jaws are pretty hard to fracture, weird how the only time it happens is when you take a slapshot to the face or a hit like Prust's huh
How about documenting the *hard to fracture* and *only time it happens* with medical cases statistics? Common knowledge is not a fact

If your not a MD, your opinion on this is irrelevant.

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05-27-2014, 04:27 PM
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McQuire was on OTR at 5pm. Said he talked to people in the know about Stephan. Was told he's feeling better today. Last couple of day's weren't too good though.

Got to hand it to him, what a method actor he is........(Mod Edit)


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05-27-2014, 04:36 PM
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By your statement, if X-ray reveled nothing and X-ray are unreliable, how can it be impossible that a later incident caused the injury? There might be a slight possibility, yet I'm sure your experience would lead to an improbable but not impossible possibility.
Why don't you offer an example of a later incident that might have caused a broken jaw? Because we all saw him get drilled in the jaw by Prust's shoulder, so we don't have to provide another incident. You're the ones who are trying to make the case that some other unknown incident was the real cause despite the fact that there's a blatantly obvious cause staring you in the face.

The head-in-the-sand mentality of some of you people is truly amazing.

I know, why don't we start speculating that Price hurt his knee when Zuccarello faked him out of his pads on the Rangers' fourth goal in Game 1, and not when Kreider crashed into him? After all, Price came back on the ice after Kreider collided with him, so you can't prove that that incident was the cause. In fact, I bet Price isn't really hurt at all, and he's just biding his time for a big emotional comeback later in the series.

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Yes. The lengths the Rangers will go to justify Prust being suspended for 2 games is mind boggling...but hey...playoff hockey...we still have Price out hoping the NHL might change their mind and give Kreider something...or at least force him to show some kind of remorse, and absolve Emelin of all blame.
Are you finally getting sarcastic about this whole Kreider/ Price thing, or do you actually believe this?

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How about documenting the *hard to fracture* and *only time it happens* with medical cases statistics? Common knowledge is not a fact

If your not a MD, your opinion on this is irrelevant.


The burden of proof is on the person who claims bones are hard to break, and don't just break randomly. While we're at it, let's prove that the sky is indeed blue and water is indeed wet.

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The burden of proof is on the person who claims bones are hard to break, and don't just break randomly. While we're at it, let's prove that the sky is indeed blue and water is indeed wet.
there's example that shouldnt be used to prove a point, the sky being blue is one of them.

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05-27-2014, 05:07 PM
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A jaw injury that they claim was suffered early in a game, mouthed of to players and ref's alike, missed a shift to get x-rays which came back negative, came back and played a full game without shying away from any contact whatsoever...

Under process of a court of law (NOT that the DoPS is a court of law, because their only law is the wheel of justice), the assessment of the Rangers medical staff and the negative x-ray would state that Prusts hit did not cause the break.

Your story that "Prust broke his jaw, the x-ray missed it" is just as likely as "Prust didnt break his jaw, it broke at another point in time".
He had surgery dude, you think he did this to save face? Us getting beat sucks, I know. Stepan had surgery, like seriously, wakeup.


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there's example that shouldnt be used to prove a point, the sky being blue is one of them.
True. Everyone knows Emelin tripped the sky into that vat of blue paint.

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True. Everyone knows Emelin tripped the sky into that vat of blue paint.
at least you tried.

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at least you tried.

What exactly is your point? I said that Stepan's jaw didn't spontaneously combust. You answered with two unrelated comments. Do you disagree? Why?

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Not at all what I said, but nice try. I'm saying I'm glad that I don't root for a team whose coach, players, and by extension, many fans, have criticized and accused a guy of embellishing a jaw injury that required surgery. Though I don't understand why hearing BS like that would make someone more proud to be a fan of that team, but to each his own.
Cool story bro, when avery played for the rangers i did not attack 1 fan for is ice antics, did you feel shame ?

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He had surgery dude, you think he did this to save face? Us getting beat sucks, I know. Stepan had surgery, like seriously, wakeup.
Yes

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He had surgery dude, you think he did this to save face? Us getting beat sucks, I know. Stepan had surgery, like seriously, wakeup.
I'm just not certain how thinking like this can occur. Amazing.

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Yes
I think Stepan will be back for game 6. He is waiting for Prust to be back so he can face him gain...

Edit: Looks like they might force him to play...

"The only way he's going to play [Tuesday night] is if he gets full medical clearance," Vigneault said. "This is not going to be up to him. It's going to be up to our medical staff to make sure that they feel he can play. There's a lot of things that have to fall into place for him to play."

http://www.nhl.com/ice/blogpost.htm?...d=nhl:topheads


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I think Stepan will be back for game 6. He is waiting for Prust to be back so he can face him gain...

Edit: Looks like they might force him to play...

"The only way he's going to play [Tuesday night] is if he gets full medical clearance," Vigneault said. "This is not going to be up to him. It's going to be up to our medical staff to make sure that they feel he can play. There's a lot of things that have to fall into place for him to play."

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Or, he wants to play but medical clearance wasn't going to let him due to dangers

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By your statement, if X-ray reveled nothing and X-ray are unreliable, how can it be impossible that a later incident caused the injury? There might be a slight possibility, yet I'm sure your experience would lead to an improbable but not impossible possibility.
Wait. What? Is this for real?

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Or, he wants to play but medical clearance wasn't going to let him due to dangers
He's in though. I am of the opinion that he will play well, in spite of the distraction of the extra protection.

Which begs the question: Why do they not always wear it, if they are able to play as well with it?

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