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Somewhere back someone linked to a study that listed the average NHL ticket price (broken down to location) and the attendance numbers for each NHL location (and was fairly current as it had Winnipeg listed).
Anyone know what it was called, or where it is?
I did a ton of crappy math lastnight around the idea of teams sharing the gate... and my crappy math showed me that based on averages (even screwing with those a tad) that the smaller clubs didn't actually make out all that well from sharing the gate as we'd all like to think. I know this document is out there, and it wouldn't take that long to do up a spreadsheet to give some more real numbers than something that's all average based.
Additionally... anyone know or have an idea of what these teams get for their local TV deal?
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The New Economics of the NHL: Why Canada can support 12 teams by the Mowat Centre has a good collection of publicly available data, despite their rather questionable conclusions. It doesn't include Winnipeg, so it likely isn't exactly the one your looking for, but should be helpful nonetheless. TMR might also be helpful, though as I'm sure kdb will come by and mention, their methodology is not perfect.
The New Economics of the NHL: Why Canada can support 12 teams by the Mowat Centre has a good collection of publicly available data, despite their rather questionable conclusions. It doesn't include Winnipeg, so it likely isn't exactly the one your looking for, but should be helpful nonetheless. TMR might also be helpful, though as I'm sure kdb will come by and mention, their methodology is not perfect.
TMR might also be helpful, though as I'm sure kdb will come by and mention, their methodology is not perfect.
The new and now updated TMR disclaimer. Starting last year TMR added a new column for the "Premium Seats" that they had been arbitrarily excluding since 2001.
The Avg Ticket & Avg Premium Ticket numbers for the Sharks show that they were pretty much excluding the entire Lower Bowl when calculating their bogus avg ticket price numbers.
Even with both numbers, you still cannot come up with any real meaningful average - since their is no indication of the relative number of premium vs non premium and their distinctions still seem arbitrary.
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Those numbers are from Team Marketing Report - which has been debunked numerous times here as being wildly inaccurate for many teams due to methodological flaws.
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Wait, you're basing this on the "leaked" Globe & Mail report, right?
Yes - and simple analysis done of actual Colorado (ColoradoHockeyFan) and San Jose (myself) ticket prices.
This post by CHF shows the flaw in TMRs methodology after they changed it in 2001 to arbitrarily exclude "premium" seats.
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No. That is a BAD place to find pricing info.
The bogus numbers on the Team Marketing Report site have been debunked numerous times on the BoH board.
Probably the best (and possibly the only) numbers you are going to find for avg ticket prices were the numbers leaked last year in the Globe & Mail:
Continue to spread the message about the worthlessness of Team Marketing Report, and we will eventually triumph over misinformation! Can I get a hallelujah!
And to further the cause, here is the sorted version of the accurate numbers from that Globe and Mail link:
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Average ticket prices by team
Team 2006-07 2005-06
Toronto Maple Leafs 80.33 78.98
Colorado Avalanche 71.04 65.55
New York Rangers 63.53 54.19
Dallas Stars 61.43 58.37
Edmonton Oilers 61.14 50.20
Montreal Canadiens 60.82 58.74
Boston Bruins 59.71 56.61
Vancouver Canucks 58.74 56.24
Detroit Red Wings 56.95 56.72
Columbus Blue Jackets 56.07 53.77
Philadelphia Flyers 54.59 51.94
Minnesota Wild 54.54 51.18
Anaheim Ducks 52.25 49.79
San Jose Sharks 50.95 49.05
Calgary Flames 50.70 46.97
Ottawa Senators 50.38 45.30
New Jersey Devils 49.91 48.97
Los Angeles Kings 46.75 44.17
New York Islanders 45.04 46.30
Carolina Hurricanes 44.91 38.81
Tampa Bay Lightning 44.50 42.38
Phoenix Coyotes 43.60 45.66
Chicago Blackhawks 40.79 39.74
Nashville Predators 40.33 34.74
Florida Panthers 39.75 44.59
Washington Capitals 39.57 36.16
St. Louis Blues 39.50 35.23
Pittsburgh Penguins 38.62 38.05
Atlanta Thrashers 37.27 32.70
Buffalo Sabres 36.67 36.37
League average 52.13 49.31
Edit: An additional note on one of the reasons that Team Marketing Report's numbers are bogus. Sometime around the 2000-2001 season, they inexplicably decided to stop including anything termed "premium seating" in their average ticket prices. This immediately invalidates their numbers because of the way in which they collect their data--from marketing reps of the respective teams. Each team is allowed to label as "premium seating" any portion of their arena. So a team like Colorado, for example, can simply say that the entire lower bowl is "premium," and exclude it from the average, which is how you wind up with their laughable (made-up) "average" ticket price of under $40!
Edit: For a clear illustration of the effect of the above artificial calculation of average ticket price, observe the historical prices reported by TMR documented here:
Note the average ticket prices reported for Colorado during the 2000-01 season and the 2001-02 season. According to TMR, the average ticket price dropped that year from $63.11 in 2000-01 to $37.36 in 2001-02. In other words, TMR would have you believe that the Avs, coming off of a Stanley Cup winning season, with one of the best single seasons ever put together by an NHL team, not only decided to drop their ticket prices (laughable enough), but decided to drop them by an unheard of 41%! (clearly more laughable). As a season ticket-holder for the past 12 years, I can assure you that no such thing happened (not that I needed to tell you this). There was no drop, obviously. There was an increase (also obviously). The artificial numbers reported by TMR that year (and every year thereafter) are simply the result of the seat classification flaw mentioned above in this post.
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TMR 2011 (kdb's disclaimers still apply, though they have split regular and 'premium' tickets which may provide a more accurate view.
But looking at the Sharks numbers ($49.73 / $112.68 "premium") it looks like their "avg" ticket price excluded pretty much the entire lower bowl as "premium". I calculated an avg price of ~$115 for the lower bowl and ~$46 for the upper (an ~$80 avg).
The new and now updated TMR disclaimer. Starting last year TMR added a new column for the "Premium Seats" that they had been arbitrarily excluding since 2001.
The Avg Ticket & Avg Premium Ticket numbers for the Sharks show that they were pretty much excluding the entire Lower Bowl when calculating their bogus avg ticket price numbers.
Even with both numbers, you still cannot come up with any real meaningful average - since their is no indication of the relative number of premium vs non premium and their distinctions still seem arbitrary.
****. So there's basically no way to try and derive any meaningful data from that info...
Can I get a hallelujah!
