Keep it about the Flames and their situation going forward. If you're just here to troll for reactions you will find yourself removed from the discussion (at the least).
Playoffs *currently* 6 Games 5 Goals 12 Assists 17 Points
Oh but thats NHL so shouldn't count right?
Calgary Flames 5 Games 3 Goals.
Let me guess? Now you will say "But that is only one good pick!"
Feaster's been in charge for a year. The guy is changing this team for the better.
It's a solid start. Question is, is Sven the guy the Flames build their offense around. Time will tell. Up front, they have Backland and Baertschi as their future top line. Giordani is signed long term and can still anchor the team. Irving or Karlsson have to be the future in nets, otherwise, the Flames need to get someone else to grow with the team. To depend on a draft pick from this year to be their goalie of the future is waiting too long. Talking about 4-5 years before he would be ready for NHL action. Iriving has been a pro for the last 4 seasons already.
Flames can speed up their rebuild if they move Iggy, Kipper to get 4-5 prospects/draft picks. JBo and Cammy can be moved at a later date to add to the depth of the prospect/draft pick pool.
Flames have already missed the playoffs for the last 3 seasons. If they do the wise thing and commit to a rebuild, they will miss the playoffs for another 2-3 seasons. That's something Flames mgmt and their fans have to accept if the decision is to trade away Iggy and Kipper.
Playoffs *currently* 6 Games 5 Goals 12 Assists 17 Points
Oh but thats WHL so shouldn't count right?
Calgary Flames 5 Games 3 Goals.
Let me guess? Now you will say "But that is only one good pick!"
Feaster's been in charge for a year. The guy is changing this team for the better.
There's no question that Baertschi was an excellent draft pick. However, there's also no question that the Flames have a well-below average prospect group as of right now. It's yet to be seen whether they're going to be able to turn it around with Feaster at the helm. One draft choice isn't going to convince anyone, and it shouldn't convince Flames fans either. Feaster could turn out to be the best drafting GM of all time (which some Flames fans must believe considering some of the posts I've seen in this thread), but he could just as easily turn out to be terrible at drafting.
There's no question that Baertschi was an excellent draft pick. However, there's also no question that the Flames have a well-below average prospect group as of right now. It's yet to be seen whether they're going to be able to turn it around with Feaster at the helm. One draft choice isn't going to convince anyone, and it shouldn't convince Flames fans either. Feaster could turn out to be the best drafting GM of all time (which some Flames fans must believe considering some of the posts I've seen in this thread), but he could just as easily turn out to be terrible at drafting.
Of course he could go either way we can only judge him on what he has done here with this scouting staff and that was a great draft for us.
There's no question that Baertschi was an excellent draft pick. However, there's also no question that the Flames have a well-below average prospect group as of right now. It's yet to be seen whether they're going to be able to turn it around with Feaster at the helm. One draft choice isn't going to convince anyone, and it shouldn't convince Flames fans either. Feaster could turn out to be the best drafting GM of all time (which some Flames fans must believe considering some of the posts I've seen in this thread), but he could just as easily turn out to be terrible at drafting.
Before the mod edited the post, he was responding directly to the troll's post saying that the Flames will make another poor pick at 14.
That implies that Bartschi was poor pick, and he deserved to be called out on it.
Feaster has given us something to be excited about.
There's no question that Baertschi was an excellent draft pick. However, there's also no question that the Flames have a well-below average prospect group as of right now. It's yet to be seen whether they're going to be able to turn it around with Feaster at the helm. One draft choice isn't going to convince anyone, and it shouldn't convince Flames fans either. Feaster could turn out to be the best drafting GM of all time (which some Flames fans must believe considering some of the posts I've seen in this thread), but he could just as easily turn out to be terrible at drafting.
I completely agree with this. Baertschi is likely going to be a stud, but the prospect pool is very bare. You can list off names of guys that could be decent players, but every team in the NHL can do that. Calgary's prospect pool is easily in the bottom third of the league. If Iginla and/or Kipper were shipped off, they could likely garner a return that would shoot Calgary into the top 5-10.
I completely agree with this. Baertschi is likely going to be a stud, but the prospect pool is very bare. You can list off names of guys that could be decent players, but every team in the NHL can do that. Calgary's prospect pool is easily in the bottom third of the league. If Iginla and/or Kipper were shipped off, they could likely garner a return that would shoot Calgary into the top 5-10.
We know this we are just saying that recently our picks have been much better so we have alittle faith in our scouting staff to turn that 14th pick into a good prospect.
I completely agree with this. Baertschi is likely going to be a stud, but the prospect pool is very bare. You can list off names of guys that could be decent players, but every team in the NHL can do that. Calgary's prospect pool is easily in the bottom third of the league. If Iginla and/or Kipper were shipped off, they could likely garner a return that would shoot Calgary into the top 5-10.
The main point that Calgary fans make is that in the last two years or so; pretty much every pick has turned out to look really good, for where they were taken. That include Patrick Holland who's no longer with the team but for a 7th round pick, another great example of Calgary's recent draft successes.
I'm not some homer that's overvaluing his team's prospects; I hated the Reinhart pick originally, as well as the Granlund pick, and I didn't think much of the Gaudreau pick either. But after seeing them and following them, all of them, and really everyone Calgary has picked lately, has surpassed expectations based on where they were taken.
As long as that continues, and Calgary does well with the 1sts that they're given, as well as getting some gems in the later rounds, then all of these supposed problems will be solving themselves in no time at all.
the Oilers are aiming at a Stanley, not 8th in the west.
Really? I had no idea. All season I thought they were aiming at another 1st overall.
Anyway, Edmonton fans need to learn to wait for these chickens to hatch. As it stands right now, one of your prized 1st overall picks needs to seriously learn to keep his head up if he wants to lead Edmonton anywhere. The way it's looking right now, Tyler Seguin may have been the much more prudent pick when thinking about down the road.
Let me first say that I don't see the Flames as having a prospect pool that can compete with other teams' crops around the league right now. They are still in the bottom portion of the league in terms of prospects.
What I am happy to see, though, is some progress being made by Feaster and Co. with recent draft selections. I'm very excited to see how good Baertschi can do next year, and I'm anxious to see how guys such as Arnold, Gaudreau, and Granlund progress. I also hope that Feaster continues to go with high-risk, high-reward in the draft instead of wasting these on "safe" picks like Sutter did.
So far, I feel like Feaster has done well with the hand that has been dealt to him. The moves, selections, and decisions he makes this summer will give people a much better view whether or not the Flames are regressing or progressing.
Let me first say that I don't see the Flames as having a prospect pool that can compete with other teams' crops around the league right now. They are still in the bottom portion of the league in terms of prospects.
What I am happy to see, though, is some progress being made by Feaster and Co. with recent draft selections. I'm very excited to see how good Baertschi can do next year, and I'm anxious to see how guys such as Arnold, Gaudreau, and Granlund progress. I also hope that Feaster continues to go with high-risk, high-reward in the draft instead of wasting these on "safe" picks like Sutter did.
So far, I feel like Feaster has done well with the hand that has been dealt to him. The moves, selections, and decisions he makes this summer will give people a much better view whether or not the Flames are regressing or progressing.
I agree with this this. No one is claiming the Flames prospects as a group are great, but we are making strides forward. If the strides forward continue I don't see why that won't be sufficient to restock our prospect pool while remaining competitive. Maybe we won't be a contender for the cup, but I would rather see my team win over half their games instead of losing 2/3.
I would also like to point out Sutter had an even worse prospect pool than Feaster to start. He doesn't get enough credit for rebuilding the prospect pool from worse than nothing. When Sutter was hired the Flames barely had a scouting department and no farm system to speak of, our best prospects were Chuck Kobasew, Matthew Lombardi and Oleg Saprykin. Sutter consistently moved down in the draft in order to help restock the picks he dealt so the team could fill the cupboards (hey something is better than nothing right?) while remaining a playoff team. Sutter left Feaster with the likes of Irving, Brodie, Backlund, Erixon and Nemisz. While that group is not great its an improvement over what Sutter inherited.
I think people fail to realize how badly our scouting and developmental system was ****ed up. This has been a process than has been in the works since 2004.
Really, there is only one way to be have an excellent prospect pool, and that is through trading roster players for picks/prospects (along with good drafting).
For example, in 2010, Florida acquired Boston's pick (later traded down with L.A) and also traded Ballard for Grabner and another 1st. They drafted Nick Bjugstad and Quinton Howden. They also traded Chris Gratton in 2007 for Tampa's second rounder and drafted Jacob Markstrom. So they got Huberdeau because they were a bad team, but their other top prospects came from acquiring picks for roster players. Great trades. Ballard and Gratton for Howden and Markstrom? Nicely done.
I honestly don't think the Flames are bad at drafting, and this is coming from someone who thinks of our prospect pool as one of the five worst in the league.
The state of our prospect pool stems from the simple fact that we don't keep our draft picks (or go out of our way to acquire more). If Sutter doesn't trade our pick for Jokinen, Flames would almost assuredly have drafted Gormley at 13th. If Erixon (credit to Sutter for finding him late in the first round) doesn't turn into a primadonna who only wants to play in New York, he is a prospect as well (mind you, this one wasn't management's fault).
Suddenly you're looking at a top-5 of Baertschi, Gormley, Erixon, Irving, and Reinhart. Hey not bad, right? But it could be better.
Well, the Flames didn't have a second rounder in 2009 or 2010, or a third rounder in 2011. The Flames also don't have a second in 2012 and also in 2013. It's not easy to draft the Lucics, the Bergerons, the Stepans, and the Henriques of the world, but when you don't have picks, there is a 0% chance.
I know the popular thing is to say 'lol, Calgary sucks at drafting' but it isn't true. They've made some excellent picks for where they have selected. Sutter totally revamped the scouting towards the end of his time in Calgary. But we have to start acquiring picks and prospects or the very least, stop bleeding our own. Why did we give up a 3rd for Staois? A fifth for Leternou-Leblond (who plays on our 4th line in the AHL)? Why did we have to send a 2nd to get rid of Primeau and then again to get rid of Kotalik? Bad drafting? More like no picks.
