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08-06-2013, 11:56 AM
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Another example of Lolbertarians being a-holes.

Question: Had anything to drink this evening?
Answer: No I haven't
Response: Have a nice evening.

Infringement!

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Libertarian internet kiddiots were made exponentially more annoying with the proliferation of smartphones and other mobile recording devices. They have encouraged all the wannabe constitutional scholars to put their egos on vast display.

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08-06-2013, 12:05 PM
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Libertarian internet kiddiots were made exponentially more annoying with the proliferation of smartphones and other mobile recording devices. They have encouraged all the wannabe constitutional scholars to put their egos on vast display.
"Can you repeat the question, only louder and with your face pointed in the direction of my smartphone? FIRST AMENDMENT! RONPAUL!!"

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08-06-2013, 12:14 PM
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Libertarian internet kiddiots were made exponentially more annoying with the proliferation of smartphones and other mobile recording devices. They have encouraged all the wannabe constitutional scholars to put their egos on vast display.
Sometimes it is just fun to play with the ignorant and the uninformed... like RCMP members. I should really be more kind to the mentally disabled but gosh darnit, it is just so easy to twist RCMP members in knots.

Absent an apprehended breach of the law or a statutory requirement (driving a car e.g.), the police do not have the right to know who you are. I have posted my run-in with a couple of RCMP members in the past.

Of course if you know your rights and how to properly assert them, sometimes you can have a bit of fun.

A number of years back when I was undergoing my first bout of chemo I suffered from intense insomnia. There was a 24 hour SuperValu near my home so when I could not sleep I would often walk the mile or so to do some grocery shopping. Worked out well as there was not a big crowd at 3 am.

One night I am walking along and an RCMP cruiser pulls up with two young 'uns who looked right out of depot training and ask what I am doing. I tell them I have insomnia and that I am walking to the super market to do a little grocery shopping. Here is kind of how it went (RCMP language cleaned up for sensitive ears).

They do this "yeah, right" routine - and ask "What are you really doing". I repeated my story.

Then comes, "Well let's see your identification."

"Why?" I ask.

"Because we said so."

I told them as I was walking and not driving a vehicle, why would I have to produce identification?

"Because we say so."

I then tell them that really is not good enough and ask under what precise law do they have the right to force me to produce ID?

Then the lies start - "We have had report of break-ins in the area and you match the description of the suspect?"

"Really?" say I. "I am kind of a strange B&E artist do you not think wearing a reflective vest and with a flashing LED strobe on my upper arm?"

That stumped them for a minute... then "We still want to see some ID."

And I replied "I still need to know what right you have to require me to do so."

We go back and forth like this for a few minutes and then they say "Well we will have to take you to the detachment."

I then tell them this is likely not the smartest thing they could do. Besides once there how are they going to justify this to their Officer in Charge?

"We will tell him you were not cooperating."

"Not cooperating with a demand that you have no legal right to make?" is my response.

"We will tell him you were resisting arrest then."

"How would you justify an arrest since there are no grounds that I can see?"

Then one of the members says "You sound like you think you are a lawyer?"

I reply -

"That is about the most perceptive thing you have said - not only do I think it - but in fact I am. And not only that used to do a fair bit of work with members of your detachment back when I was working integrated operations with CLEU before I was lawyer."

I then asked "Who is on the desk tonight?"

They say it is Sergeant X.

"Great" say I. "But I find it hard to believe that the "Bobby" (actually I used his less than flattering nickname that came from an incident when he tumbled down a hillside when trying apprehend a suspect who ran) would have been promoted he always told me that he never wanted to leave the streets."

This really the stopped the two of them in their tracks.

I then said: "How about you get your O-I-C on the radio and we can work this out."

"Uhhhhhhh.... no its fine sir, you have a good night." Into the cruiser they go and drive off.

I finished my shopping and then called the detachment and spoke to my acquaintance on the desk and told him what happened. He thought it was hilarious.

When I described the two members he really laughed. Apparently these two rookies both acted like the had a baton up a bodily orifice. He told me he would talk to them when they got in off shift.

The next night I get a call and both the members apologize profusely.

WARNING - Do not try this yourself kiddies - you need to be a trained professional.

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08-06-2013, 12:56 PM
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08-06-2013, 01:26 PM
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Sometimes it is just fun to play with the ignorant and the uninformed...
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How has your remission been since the Chemo?

Also you are a dirty Paulbots libertarian for that.

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08-06-2013, 01:36 PM
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How has your remission been since the Chemo?

Also you are a dirty Paulbots libertarian for that.
Three separate courses of chemo and surgery but a recurrence.

One of my friends is a doctor and got me into an experimental drug program after I was diagnosed with more tumour growth - worked for me but left me with some serious thyroid and heart issues but almost 10 years cancer free. In my group of 22 test subjects - two of us survived but the drug had such serious side effects that testing was stopped.

Every day I am alive is a bonus. Now if I can just convince my doctor to sign off on my return to my law practise... When I ask she says to me "I know you to well - I will tell you to take it easy and you think that means working 60 hours per week instead of 80."

I see her again tomorrow afternoon and I will again plead my case.

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Three separate courses of chemo and surgery but a recurrence.

One of my friends is a doctor and got me into an experimental drug program after I was diagnosed with more tumour growth - worked for me but left me with some serious thyroid and heart issues but almost 10 years cancer free. In my group of 22 test subjects - two of us survived but the drug had such serious side effects that testing was stopped.

Every day I am alive is a bonus. Now if I can just convince my doctor to sign off on my return to my law practise... When I ask she says to me "I know you to well - I will tell you to take it easy and you think that means working 60 hours per week instead of 80."

I see her again tomorrow afternoon and I will again plead my case.
Good to hear. Cancer scares me more then anything. So many loved ones that suffered and died from it. My cousin was diagnosed early and is still in remission. She was 30 when they caught it.

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08-06-2013, 03:19 PM
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Good to hear. Cancer scares me more then anything. So many loved ones that suffered and died from it. My cousin was diagnosed early and is still in remission. She was 30 when they caught it.
Just before I was first diagnosed, one of my law partners passed away within a matter of weeks of being diagnosed with a particularly virulent type of cancer, another partner suffered a serious heart attack, my mother passed from bone cancer and my grandfather passed away with lung cancer. The hits just kept on coming over very short period of time.

Mentally I was a mess for a period of time. It was really difficult for me because I had never been ill - about the worst was my tonsils were removed when I was six and I went many years not missing school or work as I never seemed to catch colds or flu - after the the treatments my immune system is compromised and I have to be careful. After years of thinking I was bullet-proof I leaned differently; a sobering and life-changing realization.

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Dissing a panhandler and suggesting a bullet to the neck as a solution can get you an order for $8000 in compensation in Montreal by the Quebec human rights tribunal.
A Montreal man has been ordered to pay $8,000 to a panhandler after an email he wrote complaining about her presence outside a liquor store was deemed discriminatory by the province's human rights commission.

The incident dates back to 2010 and started at an SAQ liquor store in Montreal's Ahuntsic neighbourhood.

The woman involved is in her 60s and suffers from a degenerative bone disease, which prevents her from working. She receives social assistance, but makes ends meet by panhandling outside of the liquor store for a few hours on Friday and Saturday evenings.

But one customer found her presence a nuisance and complained to the store manager in an email.

In that letter, the customer described the woman as overweight and a “drunk” with “no apparent IQ.”

Email suggested 'a bullet to the neck'

The letter goes on to talk about the city abolishing its prohibition on begging, and the problems he believed it has created. He then suggests five “solutions,” including one labelled the “Chinese solution” that proposes “a bullet to the neck and send the bill for the bullet to the deceased bum’s family.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08...n_3709890.html

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They was doing a great public service by getting people to hang up their phones and put their seat belts on. They did it with out taxing then with penalties and fines.
They weren't getting anybody to do anything other than put their seat belts on until they cleared the checkpoint.

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Dissing a panhandler and suggesting a bullet to the neck as a solution can get you an order for $8000 in compensation in Montreal by the Quebec human rights tribunal.
A Montreal man has been ordered to pay $8,000 to a panhandler after an email he wrote complaining about her presence outside a liquor store was deemed discriminatory by the province's human rights commission.

The incident dates back to 2010 and started at an SAQ liquor store in Montreal's Ahuntsic neighbourhood.

The woman involved is in her 60s and suffers from a degenerative bone disease, which prevents her from working. She receives social assistance, but makes ends meet by panhandling outside of the liquor store for a few hours on Friday and Saturday evenings.

But one customer found her presence a nuisance and complained to the store manager in an email.

In that letter, the customer described the woman as overweight and a “drunk” with “no apparent IQ.”

Email suggested 'a bullet to the neck'

The letter goes on to talk about the city abolishing its prohibition on begging, and the problems he believed it has created. He then suggests five “solutions,” including one labelled the “Chinese solution” that proposes “a bullet to the neck and send the bill for the bullet to the deceased bum’s family.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/08...n_3709890.html
Looks like he was the one with 'no apparent IQ.'

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08-06-2013, 10:44 PM
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Looks like he was the one with 'no apparent IQ.'
Yup. Just another doofus who confuses freedom of expression with freedom from consequences.

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08-06-2013, 10:52 PM
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Rand Paul was interviewed today. Man, he really doesn't like being asked about his white power employee and co-author. His claim was that he had no idea what this guy was writing.

I guess Rand Paul is more like his dad than I knew.

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Now here is something for libertarians to get ******** about: New Yorker article on civil forfeiture.

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The same police car that their eleven-year-old had admired in the mini-mart parking lot was trailing them. Near the city limits, a tall, bull-shouldered officer named Barry Washington pulled them over.

He asked if Henderson knew that he’d been driving in the left lane for more than half a mile without passing.

No, Henderson replied. He said he’d moved into the left lane so that the police car could make its way onto the highway.

Were there any drugs in the car? When Henderson and Boatright said no, the officer asked if he and his partner could search the car.

The officers found the couple’s cash and a marbled-glass pipe that Boatright said was a gift for her sister-in-law, and escorted them across town to the police station. In a corner there, two tables were heaped with jewelry, DVD players, cell phones, and the like. According to the police report, Boatright and Henderson fit the profile of drug couriers: they were driving from Houston, “a known point for distribution of illegal narcotics,” to Linden, “a known place to receive illegal narcotics.” The report describes their children as possible decoys, meant to distract police as the couple breezed down the road, smoking marijuana. (None was found in the car, although Washington claimed to have smelled it.)

The county’s district attorney, a fifty-seven-year-old woman with feathered Charlie’s Angels hair named Lynda K. Russell, arrived an hour later. Russell, who moonlighted locally as a country singer, told Henderson and Boatright that they had two options. They could face felony charges for “money laundering” and “child endangerment,” in which case they would go to jail and their children would be handed over to foster care. Or they could sign over their cash to the city of Tenaha, and get back on the road. “No criminal charges shall be filed,” a waiver she drafted read, “and our children shall not be turned over to CPS,” or Child Protective Services.

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Now here is something for libertarians to get ******** about: New Yorker article on civil forfeiture.
**** like that makes my blood boil.

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**** like that makes my blood boil.
Yeah I'm only two-thirds of the way through the article and I just keep getting angrier.

If people really want to do something about invasion of personal liberties, go after this garbage. Don't get mad because you had to stop and blow into a tube for the police who are trying to address a real problem (drunk driving). Problem is that these civil forfeiture cases disproportionately target poor minorities who don't have a voice. "Okay so you can either surrender your child and pay thousands of dollars in court fees because you drove in the left lane too long and we claimed to smell burning marijuana, or you can just give us your **** and leave." Gee what fantastic options!

I guess this leads me into another rant - that the young rich libertarian crowd doesn't care so much about civil liberties so much as THEIR OWN civil liberties. Oh no, you went through a DUI checkpoint? Ask any black person who drives a nice car about their Fourth Amendment rights. The NSA is collecting your phone records, along with everyone else's? Here are some Mexicans from Arizona who routinely get pulled over by Sheriff Joe's cronies and have to produce all kinds of documentation just to avoid the slammer.

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Yeah I'm only two-thirds of the way through the article and I just keep getting angrier.
I just finished it. Pretty depressing.
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I guess this leads me into another rant - that the young rich libertarian crowd doesn't care so much about civil liberties so much as THEIR OWN civil liberties.
It seems the current set of libertarians just want to be able to drop n-bombs without uppity black people getting offended, videotape overworked - but heavily-pensioned!!!! - public employees whilst wagging fingers in their faces but above all else, worship at the altar of a racist, misogynistic vagina doctor who makes a lot of sense if you ignore what he's actually saying.

..but I guess it beats living in reality, where their personal belief system will never be enacted by any country full of sane people. Oh well, they'll always have their little slice of heaven, if Peter Thiel grants his fellow libertarians a spot on his floating island paradise.

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There's another thing about libertarians that bothers me. Why is morality being used to promote social justice arbitrary, but the use of "natural law" to justify property rights not arbitrary? What is the difference between morality and natural law in the first place? Both things haven't been proved to be absolute truths, they are both inventions by dead philosophers...I don't get it.

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Yeah I'm only two-thirds of the way through the article and I just keep getting angrier.

If people really want to do something about invasion of personal liberties, go after this garbage. Don't get mad because you had to stop and blow into a tube for the police who are trying to address a real problem (drunk driving). Problem is that these civil forfeiture cases disproportionately target poor minorities who don't have a voice. "Okay so you can either surrender your child and pay thousands of dollars in court fees because you drove in the left lane too long and we claimed to smell burning marijuana, or you can just give us your **** and leave." Gee what fantastic options!

I guess this leads me into another rant - that the young rich libertarian crowd doesn't care so much about civil liberties so much as THEIR OWN civil liberties. Oh no, you went through a DUI checkpoint? Ask any black person who drives a nice car about their Fourth Amendment rights. The NSA is collecting your phone records, along with everyone else's? Here are some Mexicans from Arizona who routinely get pulled over by Sheriff Joe's cronies and have to produce all kinds of documentation just to avoid the slammer.
Similar case in Kentucky I believe. Guy was traveling to buy a car carrying 10000 or so in cash. The local Gestapo would not return his money.

Never consent to a search. Most dont even know you don't have to. Same with the dui check points.

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I just finished it. Pretty depressing.

It seems the current set of libertarians just want to be able to drop n-bombs without uppity black people getting offended, videotape overworked - but heavily-pensioned!!!! - public employees whilst wagging fingers in their faces but above all else, worship at the altar of a racist, misogynistic vagina doctor who makes a lot of sense if you ignore what he's actually saying.

..but I guess it beats living in reality, where their personal belief system will never be enacted by any country full of sane people. Oh well, they'll always have their little slice of heaven, if Peter Thiel grants his fellow libertarians a spot on his floating island paradise.
This post is just ignorant.

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Don't ever buy drinks for someone else at the bar, It could land you in prison.

-Guy buys drinks for a girl at the bar
-Girls drives drunk and kills 2 people in a wreck
-Girl is charged and sentenced to a long prison term
-Guy has now been arrested and charged for buying her drinks

Just a heads up for anyone trying to get laid.

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Well, just make sure you take her back to your place.

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It's like Mad Libs. The problem to be addressed is (global warming/poverty/financial corruption/invasion of privacy/inner city violence/etc). The solution is (end the Fed/abolish the IRS/lower taxes/etc).
I blame Josh McDaniels.

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