I say Speeza is the better player because look who his linemates are. He makes his linemates better, i mean Michalek put up 35 goals on his wing. And his other wing is a rookie. henrik plays with a top 5LW in the league who scores gaurenteed 40 goals every year and one of the best PKers on his other wing. If spezza played in Van he would easily match Henriks stats.
But for passing ability i would say Henrik is bit better. He has been a top 5 passer in the last 5 seasons, not far from Thornton. I would say Henriks passing is up there with Marc Savard
Daniel has 40 goals once in his career. Probably gets there once more without injury, but still only once in his career.
Spezza has Michalek putting up 35. Henrik has burrows putting up 35 with no PP time and Kesler putting up 40 thanks to playing with Henrik on the PP.
I say Speeza is the better player because look who his linemates are. He makes his linemates better, i mean Michalek put up 35 goals on his wing. And his other wing is a rookie. henrik plays with a top 5LW in the league who scores gaurenteed 40 goals every year and one of the best PKers on his other wing. If spezza played in Van he would easily match Henriks stats.
But for passing ability i would say Henrik is bit better. He has been a top 5 passer in the last 5 seasons, not far from Thornton. I would say Henriks passing is up there with Marc Savard
Henrik did just fine with Raymond and Hansen on his wings when Daniel was out. In fact, he put up PPG numbers.
it is at least debatable whether or not he's a top 5 forward
I'm not sure Giroux slips in nicely at #4 there. He could revert to a 70 point player as Sedin pots 100 points again and that 4th spot is dethroned. Giroux has had a single elite season, he isn't unquestionably the 4th best forward yet.
If they were to play a game of 1 on 1 I'm confident Spezza would win that contest. But in NHL game I take Sedin. Amazing vision, tenacity and very high hockey IQ.
Henrik and Daniel split the vote, though. Just sayin'.
No, actually they didn't. The Sedins were combined into one option, there was no option to vote just for H Sedin, or just for D Sedin, which really just makes their placement on the poll meaningless.
No, actually they didn't. The Sedins were combined into one option, there was no option to vote just for H Sedin, or just for D Sedin, which really just makes their placement on the poll meaningless.
With my outmost respect to Henrik Sedin, Spezza is the better player/playmaker, and can make anybody on his line a scoring threat.
Good God! Do none of you back East stay up late enough to watch the west coast teams. H Sedin may be the best playmaker in the NHL and is certainly in the top 3.
Turn off Letterman and watch some late night hockey!
With my outmost respect to Henrik Sedin, Spezza is the better player/playmaker, and can make anybody on his line a scoring threat.
Over the last 7 years Henrik has out-assisted Spezza in all 7 of them. He also has a higher per game average for assists in all but one of those seasons, 07-08, when Spezza had .763 APG to Henrik's .744 APG. Over this 7 year span Henrik has averaged 70 assists per 82 games, 18 more than Spezza's 52 per 82.
With my utmost respect to Spezza, Henrik is without question the better playmaker, and has made everyone he's played with since the lockout a scoring threat.
Over the last 7 years Henrik has out-assisted Spezza in all 7 of them. He also has a higher per game average for assists in all but one of those seasons, 07-08, when Spezza had .763 APG to Henrik's .744 APG. Over this 7 year span Henrik has averaged 70 assists per 82 games, 18 more than Spezza's 52 per 82.
05/06
Spezza: 71 A in 68 gms, 1.04/gm
H Sedin: 57 A in 82, .69/gm
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With my utmost respect to Spezza, Henrik is without question the better playmaker, and has made everyone he's played with since the lockout a scoring threat.
To be fair, the same could be said of Spezza.
Other than the bold parts, your points are fair, but I think all assist totals really say is that makes plays more often. Spezza elects to shoot more often (almost 2x in a full season), thereby passing up on playmaking opportunities.
When it comes to making plays out of nothing, both are quite adept, and while there is no statistic to quantify that, I'd be hard pressed to say one is far and above better than the other.
If I had to pick, I'd lean towards Sedin (particularly if your looking at the last couple years and not just this past season), but I don't think it's really a wide gap between them.
05/06
Spezza: 71 A in 68 gms, 1.04/gm
H Sedin: 57 A in 82, .69/gm
To be fair, the same could be said of Spezza.
Other than the bold parts, your points are fair, but I think all assist totals really say is that makes plays more often. Spezza elects to shoot more often (almost 2x in a full season), thereby passing up on playmaking opportunities.
When it comes to making plays out of nothing, both are quite adept, and while there is no statistic to quantify that, I'd be hard pressed to say one is far and above better than the other.
If I had to pick, I'd lean towards Sedin (particularly if your looking at the last couple years and not just this past season), but I don't think it's really a wide gap between them.
Oops! I miscounted, should have been 6. As to the bold part, it was in direct response to someone using that as a reason Spezza is a better playmaker. I agree, they're both quite capable of this, which is why I included it for Sedin too.
I also think having the mindsight of a playmaker is a big factor in this comparison. Sedin looks to pass first everytime, whereas Spezza, like you said, looks to shoot much more often. Even if they're both equally adept at playmaking, which I don't think is the case, wouldn't the guy who spends more time looking to get his teammates the puck be considered the better playmaker? Just something to think about.
