Really? Because I seem to recall this one guy named Milan Hejduk who has nearly 1000 regular season games, 112 games of playoff experience, and even won the cup... He'd definitely be the leader of his team right? Oh wait, no. He's not. It's some guy who's never played a single playoff game, and is only 20. You can only make so many BS excuses for Seguin. Seguin is simply not the sort of leader that a guy like Hall is
I think you can't see the forest for the trees. Who is Hall going to "lead" on the Bruins? Are you seriously saying that Hall comes in and teaches a bunch of veteran leaders (like the list Kaoz provided) on what it takes to be successful?
The Oilers are a team filled with young guys that can be led, the Bruins are not. Seguin is the youngest on the team. How exactly would Hall lead in a way that Seguin can't? Is it effort? Is it by speaking up and telling folks "how it's done"? You want Seguin to be the leader the way Hall is--just put him down at Providence, with a bunch of folks his own age and at his own level of professional experience.
I think people are underrating Hall's durability. Not many people could play 30 games a year the way he plays. The abuse he takes shocks me. Not many people would get up after the Doughty hip check.
That being said, I'm still happy Seguin landed in our laps.
Really? Because I seem to recall this one guy named Milan Hejduk who has nearly 1000 regular season games, 112 games of playoff experience, and even won the cup... He'd definitely be the leader of his team right? Oh wait, no. He's not. It's some guy who's never played a single playoff game, and is only 20. You can only make so many BS excuses for Seguin. Seguin is simply not the sort of leader that a guy like Hall is
I never said he was, and wouldn't begin to try to as that is something very hard to substantiate. What is far easier to substantiate however is the fact that Hall wouldn't be a leader on the Bruins, which is the actual debate we were having. That's not how this team works. Saying "but that's how Colorado works" doesn't make a lick of difference and is quite a ridiculous argument. The way the Bruins are currently constituted heavily relies on the more veteran leadership. The kids need to earn every last inch they get, and prove themselves beyond a shadow of a doubt before Julien relies on them for even the most minor of responsibilities (such as consistent ice time). It was true with Lucic (whom I rate pretty high in the leadership category), it was true with Marchand, and it was true with Seguin.
Hall would have been no different on this club, he'd have been given nothing and forced to prove himself to the point of frustration for both himself and fans, much like what happened with Seguin.
Really? Because I seem to recall this one guy named Milan Hejduk who has nearly 1000 regular season games, 112 games of playoff experience, and even won the cup... He'd definitely be the leader of his team right? Oh wait, no. He's not. It's some guy who's never played a single playoff game, and is only 20. You can only make so many BS excuses for Seguin. Seguin is simply not the sort of leader that a guy like Hall is
Oh.. so you think Hejduk isn't the leader of his team? You don't think 10/10 guys on the Av's would take an order from Hedjuk over Landeskog? Guy handed his captaincy over because he wasn't playing on the top-2 lines anymore, speaks a lot about his character. Just cause Landeskog wears the C doesn't mean he's the leader.
How the hell do any of us know how they are regarded in the dressing room by their peers, including vets? Leadership qualities are mere speculation unless anyone has played with them or spoken to their teammates off the record.
As for offensive capabilities, Seguin has improved dramatically from year to year whereas Hall has been at a fairly lvl output (though harder to gauge with him due to injuries). If I had to take a player, I'd probably go with Seguin but you can not go wrong with either it seems. Definitely one of those times where the 2 top players really are meeting expectations and may have very comparable careers if they can stay healthy.
How the hell do any of us know how they are regarded in the dressing room by their peers, including vets? Leadership qualities are mere speculation unless anyone has played with them or spoken to their teammates off the record.
As for offensive capabilities, Seguin has improved dramatically from year to year whereas Hall has been at a fairly lvl output (though harder to gauge with him due to injuries). If I had to take a player, I'd probably go with Seguin but you can not go wrong with either it seems. Definitely one of those times where the 2 top players really are meeting expectations and may have very comparable careers if they can stay healthy.
hall had a .646ppg 1st yr improved to .868ppg in his 2nd quite an impressive jump no? also both players are elite hall brings leadership seguin brings poise cant go wrong with either
Exactly. Smyth is as good of "leader" as anyone on the Bruins, yet because the Bruins are cup contenders, it means that Hall couldn't pass any of them?
Hall simply wouldn't have the chance too. It's vastly different pecking order. The Bruins had an established veteran leadership core for awhile now prior to Seguin becoming a Bruin. Because of this veteran core and the position the Bruins were/are in as a contending team, Seguin is being asked to simply learn the system, hone his skills, and work hard on and off the ice.
I don't disagree that Hall has shown better leadership traits than Seguin, but to think Hall would be a part of the leadership core here in Boston is just asinine. Edmonton and Boston are in completely opposite positions as franchises and core structure. Hockey analysts and insiders have called Boston's locker room the tightest group of guys in the league and the best run. That speaks volumes of the leadership here in Boston.
On a completely different side note ( although not completely off topic ) he may not wear an A, but Shawn Thornton is so respected by his teammates as a leader and prominent figure in the locker room, they nicknamed him The Godfather. What a perfect nickname for him.
How the hell do any of us know how they are regarded in the dressing room by their peers, including vets? Leadership qualities are mere speculation unless anyone has played with them or spoken to their teammates off the record.
You don't read a newspaper and see what players say about their teammates? Listen to interviews or follow news reporters with access to the lockerroom on a daily basis and they'll fill you in on who's who and the pecking order in lockerrooms.
I'm disappointed I didn't get more props in the thread considering its an amazing/perfect analogy as well as being the best p0ast in the entire thread itself. Appreciate the recognition though, lol.
I'm disappointed I didn't get more props in the thread considering its an amazing/perfect analogy as well as being the best p0ast in the entire thread itself. Appreciate the recognition though, lol.
