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10-08-2011, 05:57 PM
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Cory Schneider

I'm sure most of you would be in favor of keeping this kid, but if you were to deal him, what would you realistically be looking for in return? I'm writing an article on him and would love some input from some Canucks fans. Thanks!

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If we can't get a roster player and a solid pick then there's no point in moving him IMO

He's a great goalie and he pushes Luongo to be better while offering a very solid backup and he'll be an RFA after this year

It makes no sense to move him unless we get an upgrade in the top 9 as well as a pick.

More realistically, he'd be packaged with picks to get a very solid top 6 roster player.

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10-08-2011, 06:33 PM
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Can we give you Luongo instead?

I Seriously don't think they want to move Schneider right now. He played well last season and having a good backup is a nice luxury.

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Can we give you Luongo instead?

I Seriously don't think they want to move Schneider right now. He played well last season and having a good backup is a nice luxury.
No, we don't want to trade Luongo. It's nice having an elite goalie as our starter.

As for Schneider, I would love to get a gritty 1st/2nd line forward for him.

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Top 6 power forward who is just enterring the prime of his career. Pretty much will have to be a player who can help the team right now and will be a member of the team for the foreseeable future. No players near the end of their careers (e.g. Shane Doan, Daniel Alfredsson) Examples of players who fit this mold - Milan Lucic, David Backes, Andrew Ladd, Jamie Benn, Ryane Clowe

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Top 6 power forward who is just enterring the prime of his career. Pretty much will have to be a player who can help the team right now and will be a member of the team for the foreseeable future. No players near the end of their careers (e.g. Shane Doan, Daniel Alfredsson) Examples of players who fit this mold - Milan Lucic, David Backes, Andrew Ladd, Jamie Benn, Ryane Clowe
I'd love a guy like that too, but that is a pipe dream if Ive ever seen one.

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A first and a good young roster player is what it would take, reportedly.

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I'd love a guy like that too, but that is a pipe dream if Ive ever seen one.
Given your moniker, I'd be careful with statements like this.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

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Top 6 power forward who is just enterring the prime of his career. Pretty much will have to be a player who can help the team right now and will be a member of the team for the foreseeable future. No players near the end of their careers (e.g. Shane Doan, Daniel Alfredsson) Examples of players who fit this mold - Milan Lucic, David Backes, Andrew Ladd, Jamie Benn, Ryane Clowe
Shane Doan would be amazing for this team, I'd do that in seconds. We're not get a Lucic, Backes, Ladd, Benn or a Clowe type player unless we add much more.

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Top 6 power forward who is just enterring the prime of his career. Pretty much will have to be a player who can help the team right now and will be a member of the team for the foreseeable future. No players near the end of their careers (e.g. Shane Doan, Daniel Alfredsson) Examples of players who fit this mold - Milan Lucic, David Backes, Andrew Ladd, Jamie Benn, Ryane Clowe
If Jensen projects like he's expected to in the next couple years, then he's that guy

So instead, a young offensive PP defensman suits the Nucks better
Throw in one of Schroeder or Rodin if need be

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If Jensen projects like he's expected to in the next couple years, then he's that guy

So instead, a young offensive PP defensman suits the Nucks better
Throw in one of Schroeder or Rodin if need be
It'd probably be Schroeder. Gillis is higher on Rodin and planned to take him with our 1st pick instead of Schroeder but when Schroeder dropped that far, Gillis took a risk and went with him planning to trade up to get Rodin if he needed to.

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Needs to be a player who can help now, plays physically, and hopefully slot into a wing spot next to Kesler.

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I would trade him for a lottery pick. I like what philly and washington did. Trading prospects for salary does not make sense when you are a salary cap team. Last year i wanted him traded with raymond for top six player. Now i like the pick better.

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Given your moniker, I'd be careful with statements like this.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.
haha. Never thought of it like that. LOL

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If we could somehow pry Benn from the Stars for futures/tweeners only, we'd be making deep runs until the Sedins retired for sure.

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Like Kickassguy mentioned, a mid to late 1st rndr and a good prospect. The young player targeted would likely be a right side, right shot offensive Dman or a bigger top-6 potential winger.

I still think the team best suited to acquire Schneider is New Jersey or perhaps Phoenix. Turris and Merrill being obvious targets. But that's a trade that would likely happen at the end of this season.

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I'm honestly not trying to be a spelling nazi, but if you're writing an article on him you will want to know his first name is "Cory".

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We don't need a 1st round pick back, we need someone who can help now, now 2-3 years into the future.

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We don't need a 1st round pick back, we need someone who can help now, now 2-3 years into the future.

A vet that can help now and not later would only compound the problems the Canucks have developing talent. No, the return must help now _AND_ into the future, just as Schneider would help the destined team now and into the future. A younger prospect could do that. An older player would play 1 or 2 years and make everyone regret the return after that.


IMO it is imperative the Canucks target younger talent with any deal involving Schneider. That is how consistent contenders are built.

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There's no 'e' in Cory's name btw.


As for trading him...i'm not sure if it's worth doing this year unless we're getting back some serious firepower in return. Personally, i'm far from sold on Luongo, so obviously my perspective is swayed a bit...I think it's fair to give Luongo another shot at proving himself, but if he drops the ball...this organization is going to be in a tough situation. Having Schneider around at least gives them some of Plan B if they can find some sort of way out of the Luongo thing.

It could be a challenge to keep him around and under contract in the offseason though, even as an RFA...the potential for offersheets is a bit anxiety-inducing.

If he's going to be moved, i agree with others who say, 'big/gritty top-6 winger' or 'top-4 RH-shot offensive d-man' is the targeted return. Those are the only real holes to fill at the moment.

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Like Kickassguy mentioned, a mid to late 1st rndr and a good prospect. The young player targeted would likely be a right side, right shot offensive Dman or a bigger top-6 potential winger.

I still think the team best suited to acquire Schneider is New Jersey or perhaps Phoenix. Turris and Merrill being obvious targets. But that's a trade that would likely happen at the end of this season.
Merrill is a big part of the reason i was upset about trading that 1st rounder for Ballard. Really wanted him for the Canucks pick. But that's said and done. Would still LOVE to add him to the organization, but i don't see any way NJD let him go at this point.

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If MG were to do it - It would probably be:
Clowe
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Schneider + 1st/Raymond (Depending on his health)

(or something like that)

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There's no 'e' in Cory's name btw.


As for trading him...i'm not sure if it's worth doing this year unless we're getting back some serious firepower in return. Personally, i'm far from sold on Luongo, so obviously my perspective is swayed a bit...I think it's fair to give Luongo another shot at proving himself, but if he drops the ball...this organization is going to be in a tough situation. Having Schneider around at least gives them some of Plan B if they can find some sort of way out of the Luongo thing.
It could be a challenge to keep him around and under contract in the offseason though, even as an RFA...the potential for offersheets is a bit anxiety-inducing.

If he's going to be moved, i agree with others who say, 'big/gritty top-6 winger' or 'top-4 RH-shot offensive d-man' is the targeted return. Those are the only real holes to fill at the moment.
What is the Luongo thing?
Are you one of these guys that thinks that with Kesler, Burrows, the Sedins and more playing at their prime, we should ditch a top 5 goalie in lieu of a guy with 25 reasonably soft games who hasn't really proven anything in the NHL?

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If we can't get a roster player and a solid pick then there's no point in moving him IMO

It makes no sense to move him unless we get an upgrade in the top 9 as well as a pick.

More realistically, he'd be packaged with picks to get a very solid top 6 roster player.
This I agree with 100%


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and he pushes Luongo to be better
This I don't agree with. I don't think the notion that a good backup goaltender pushes the starter to be better applies in this case. Not with Luongo here. I'm a huge Schneider fan and I too would have prefered him over Luongo long term based on character alone. But when it boils down to it, this is Luongo's team. It has always and will always be Luongo's team while he is here.. Until he gets old anyways.

With this in mind, I think Schneider offers us few positives and one big negative.

I'll start with the negative. He's a distraction. He provides controversy after controversy and you know how the media (and fans) love to go down that road. Who's really going to play that big game? The answer has to be Luongo. Luongo is good enough to win a championship and I think the doubt that creeps in from all of the controversy is the only thing holding him back. It's time to go all in and support Luongo. Unfortunately this town cannot do that with schneider still here. Plus we can definitely put together a package to get a great forward to help us when it counts.

On the positive side, schneider will provide the team with more wins and more points than any backup we could possibly find, but do we really need those points? Is 1st place in the west and home ice really worth the Controversy and doubt in the playoffs? Is anyone else sick of this? Other positives include the fact that he is a great team guy and is a winner. But again, when it comes down to it you know who will play the big game so what's the point? It's not fair to Schneider and it's certainly not fair to Luongo.

If I'm the Canucks i get the best of both worlds this season by playing Cory all year and make a deal at the deadline. Whoever ends up with him has a winner on their hands.

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Can we give you Luongo instead?

I Seriously don't think they want to move Schneider right now. He played well last season and having a good backup is a nice luxury.
Gillis needs to move Schneider now while teams think that they can get him in their system and sign him before he tests the free agent market (and he will). Like it or not, Luongo is a Canuck until HE decides to retire...period. No team is going to take on a 5.3 million dollar cap hit for the next TEN YEARS. Even if there werent valid questions about his mental game, he is in his prime NOW. I am not saying Luongo isnt a great goalie, he is. But the contract that Gillis offered Luongo was, and still is, insane. I know Luongo's contract was front loaded, but that isn't the issue here, the cap hit is.

There are multiple teams that are going to offer Schneider 3-4 million for five years and the Canucks are not going to be able to match that. Schneider is not stupid. There is major interest in him throughout the league. Do you really think that he is going to take 1.2 million to sit on the bench behind a starting goalie that is signed for ten years.

Gillis was a fool not to trade him before last years draft when he could have gotten a number one for him. Now teams will just wait and romance him at the end of the season. If Gillis doesn't move on trading Schneider now, he is going to walk after this year and the Canucks will get nothing for him.

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