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08-26-2004, 06:02 PM
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It's too early to bash Lowe. Maybe Kevin is upto something else. I hate to see him leave. Hey I am an Oiler fan, and completely understand it. Nothing surprising though

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It's too early to bash Lowe. Maybe Kevin is upto something else.
You know, if I had a dime for every time I've seen or heard that phrase in the last couple of years...I could quit my job and make use of the business end of my bong all day long. Just saying.

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08-26-2004, 06:08 PM
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Nedved wanted more money from Edmonton, then turned around and signed with Phoenix, a team EDM might be competing with, for less money than what was offered by the Oilers.

What a backstabbing little ****.

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Well Calgary was a Stanley Cup finalist, one might argue they don't need to improve themselves that much but I know you Oilers fans wouldn't agree
I think the Ducks and Capitals would probably argue that making the Finals one year is no guarantee of success the next.

That being said, I think the Flames have improved while the Oilers are even worse off than they were this time last year, particularly up front - at least last year Reasoner was healthy and Hemsky hadn't yet had a year of [crappy play|crappy coaching] (take your pick).

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08-26-2004, 06:09 PM
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Maybe that says more about Nedved then.

Most of the stuff I was hearing is that Lowe was in that exact same ball park as well and Nedved was looking for MORE than 3 to stay here.
Thats what I was thinking.

First he wants to play in Edmonton, but the wifey doesnt want him there. Then the location is fine but he wants more money. I think he's been blowing smoke up everyones ass waiting for anything south of Edmonton.

And I totally predict he'll disappear with his 3 year contract. Ya, he played great when he was going to be an UFA, but soft players like him tend to disappear when they get the security of a long term contract. I'm glad Lowe didnt cave and give in on a 3 year contract. Obviously he wasnt all that keen on being an Oiler, so why pay extra to lock him up for 3 years.

1 year at 3 million would be fine. 2 mabye, 3 no way, especially when he's been dragging his heals for the last 2 months.

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08-26-2004, 06:23 PM
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Nedved is talented. He's also a floater, and has motivational problems. Joining the Oil last season during the stretch run, how could anyone Not be inspired to play like he did?
It also appears he signed for under 3mil/year for 3 years. These are the numbers we've been hearing about between the Oil and Neds agent. If he chose the 'Yotes, maybe there's more here than Lowe sitting on his hands?

Langkow & Conroy cancel each other out in Calgary.

Also I am no longer giving Lowe that " He's got something up his sleeve" benefit of the doubt. After what happened last season (and now this), he needs to pull one of those Sather Era fleecings of an Eastern team in order to be batting .500.

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The Nedved thing is a little disappointing, he certainly is fun to watch. However, the real news today is:

1. The Oilers are still well below average at center,

2. They have waited deep into the summer hoping for something that didn't happen just like last year (Comrie was coming to camp last year, Nedved was going to sign this year)

3. Sutter is running circles around Lowe.

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08-26-2004, 06:46 PM
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The Nedved thing is a little disappointing, he certainly is fun to watch. However, the real news today is:

1. The Oilers are still well below average at center,

2. They have waited deep into the summer hoping for something that didn't happen just like last year (Comrie was coming to camp last year, Nedved was going to sign this year)

3. Sutter is running circles around Lowe.
Thanks. You just made me feel worse.

We spent all last summer thinking "something will pan out with Comrie". It didnt. We spent all this summer thinking "something will pan out with Nedved". It didnt. We havent adressed our center needs now for 2 years, blindly thinking it will all work out.

Please no Smyth at center again.

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08-26-2004, 06:48 PM
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While I'm not heartbroken that we didn't get Nedved, I think recent developments -- such as losing Nedved, not making any moves to improve the team in the off-season despite an awful regular season and missing the playoffs -- make one thing pretty clear. No matter how often we say it or how often we hope it, Kevin Lowe does not have something "up his sleeve" and never has.

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08-26-2004, 06:52 PM
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While I'm not heartbroken that we didn't get Nedved, I think recent developments -- such as losing Nedved, not making any moves to improve the team in the off-season despite an awful regular season and missing the playoffs -- make one thing pretty clear. No matter how often we say it or how often we hope it, Kevin Lowe does not have something "up his sleeve" and never has.
I used to view Lowe with a certain amount of optimism...that even after dropping the ball, he'd come up smelling like roses...but not this time. I'm beginning to think that he doesn't have a backup plan for Nedved and that we'd end up just like the beginning of last season.

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I haven't posted in a while but this is truly dissapointing becasuse it has cemented one thing to me. We are the NHL's version of the LA Clippers. Lowe had a chance to secure an extreme need pos with a guy that was a perfect fit. Even if you had to over-pay the overpayment wasn't that much. I mean if Lowe had to pony up an extra 500k who would we lose? Scott Fergusen? they already shed Salos contract, they drppoed Comrie and picked up no salary, they sell out the building every night, its a joke.
So now Lowe will make a trade for an unproven center with 'upside' and will probably have to give up an important asset to get one. then when that player gets good he will be dealt for another unproven player with upside.
The one silver lining is that there won't be a season this year so at least we won't have to watch another season with no #1 center.
I hope Petr has a great year in Pheonix whenever they end up playing.

Thank god the NFL is only 2 weeks away.

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They say It's 8 millon over 3 years,pretty sad Nedved didn't sign with the Oils,The Habs are my favorite team but Oilers are just behind and I would have love to see Nedved with the Oilers....Ohh well you can still say It's not as bad to be an Oilers fan than a Bruins fan

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08-26-2004, 06:57 PM
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It's too early to bash Lowe. Maybe Kevin is upto something else. I hate to see him leave. Hey I am an Oiler fan, and completely understand it. Nothing surprising though
Couldn't agree more. I can't believe all you people bashing Lowe. Its obvious that we offered pretty much exactly the same contract, but Petr decided to go elsewhere. If you want to take it out on anyone, take it out on Petr, Lowe deserves absolutely none of the blame.

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08-26-2004, 07:04 PM
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Couldn't agree more. I can't believe all you people bashing Lowe. Its obvious that we offered pretty much exactly the same contract, but Petr decided to go elsewhere. If you want to take it out on anyone, take it out on Petr, Lowe deserves absolutely none of the blame.
Agreed. This isn't anything out of the ordinary though when it comes to the bashing. When it comes down to it, Nedved probably chose Phoenix beacuse of the family situation.

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have to reiterate the comments of oiler4ever and kerrly here, this one was out of Lowe's hands Nedved chose Phoenix instead, perhaps he thought he can get a better playoff run there.

Langkow hurts but we'll get over it. Looks like its York-Horc-Reasoner-Stoll

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08-26-2004, 07:06 PM
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I'm pretty Lowe has something brewing.......all that talk about negotiations going well and getting steamy..i'm sure Nedved's agent warned Lowe about what PHX was offering..and Lowe told him no.

I have faith in lowe and all this bashing is a little premature. There's still some good Centers out there. Heck, did he not mention he might trade to get that centre?

GO LOWE GO! For sticking to his guns and not over-reacting.

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08-26-2004, 07:06 PM
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If it's 8 million over three years

Nedved took less to sign elsewhere, maybe because his wife didn't want to move to Edmonton.

He wanted 10 million over three years to sign in EDMONTON!. Too much, goodbye.

Conroy and Langow are the same player basically, Calgary didn't improve.

All that being said, Lowe needs to do something because we need a centre. If and when next season starts and nothing is done. Lowe failed.

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08-26-2004, 07:09 PM
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Looks like its York-Horc-Reasoner-Stoll
But hey, look at the bright side, with that line-up, everyone will be playing thier 3rd string goalies against us again.

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Nedved took less to sign elsewhere, maybe because his wife didn't want to move to Edmonton.

He wanted 10 million over three years to sign in EDMONTON!. Too much, goodbye.

Conroy and Langow are the same player basically, Calgary didn't improve.

All that being said, Lowe needs to do something because we need a centre. If and when next season starts and nothing is done. Lowe failed.
Exactly my thinking.
I'm also hopeful Lowe has graduated from the 2 year course on "How not to address an evident team need" (Signing the enigmatic Dopita, trading MC and not addressing the center position, signing an older hockey player who was really affected by missing almost half the season)

Whatever happens now will not happen out of panick, will be well thought-out, will improve this team.

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08-26-2004, 07:17 PM
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But hey, look at the bright side, with that line-up, everyone will be playing thier 3rd string goalies against us again.
You mean the goalies that shut us out left and right whenever they didn't let in a max of one goal against our squad?

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Langkow was available at a reasonable price, is a damn fine 5 on 5 player, his salary is not crazy, he is consistent offensively, and he is made for a MacT system. Having him between Smyth and Dvorak/Hemsky would have been freaking wonderful. Then York could have centered Torres and Izzy. This is not a superstar lineup just quietly deadly 5 on 5 and probably worth 100 points with slightly above average goaltending.

So now we have to liquidate assets to find this mythical top line center - and probably much more significant assets than it took Calgary to get Langkow. The remaining UFAs are junk or have major problems (Zhamnov, Lindros, Allison, Stumple). Lowe has let this problem fester for YEARS now without solving it and today the 2 best options out there (Langkow and Nedved) were scooped by our biggest rivals for a playoff position.

Its not that Langkow is that much better than Conroy (although I think he is) its the fact that Lowe let Calgary obtain him and left us with no obvious solution at center. If we obtain Langkow we not only get better but we leave Calgary with a glaring hole at center unfilled. By doing nothing Lowe has let the opposition blow by him.

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Conroy and Langow are the same player basically, Calgary didn't improve.
Regardless, why didn't we get one of those two guys? Lowe is missing out on opportunities left, right and centre. I'm usually one of the ones defending Lowe, but I'm slowly starting to go over to the dark side. Lowe has to pull something out of his ass concerning a centre, or the tide of public opinion will start turning against him.

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Its not that Langkow is that much better than Conroy its the fact that Lowe let Calgary obtain him and left us with no obvious solution at center.
I agree.

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Last time I checked it was August 26th, just before a lockout.

Guys, there are tonnes of young centres still left. There are also a handful of UFA's left. It isn't the end of the world...

be patient.

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