HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Western Conference > Pacific Division > Edmonton Oilers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Howson on The Team 1260 right now (nm)

Closed Thread
 
Thread Tools
Old
08-27-2004, 12:38 PM
  #26
copperandblue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 10,724
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgbone
Don't forget... the trade market could change dramatically as well, especially if teams have to dump some salary, the Oilers are in a decent position to offer up a couple of serviceable parts for a decent return.
Ding Ding Ding, I think we have a winner.

That is how I took it. I got the impression that with Nedved off the market, signing an UFA is now Plan B.

The new plan A is to trade for one and once the CBA is hashed out, they feel there is a good chance that teams will need to move some of their higher priced guys (which could very well may mean guys in the 3 mil and over range).

If teams NEED to do that then Edmonton could possibly get a guy that offers even more than what Nedved was. Also keep in mind that in a trade scenario when a player is going back the team can afford more than 3 mil in theory.

For example if Edmonton moved Isbister and Cross then the amount of salary that CAN be taken on goes from 3 mil to 5.5 mil. It's unlikley that they would go to that extreme but the idea is valid.

copperandblue is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 12:45 PM
  #27
copperandblue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 10,724
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oil slick
As for trades, if there is one of note, I'm definately thinking Florida, with Smith or Brewer heading over.
Also consider that if teams HAVE to unload salary, trading could only be part of their solution.

It could also mean that they need to let guys walk at the end of their year (or gamble on them walking in hopes they will renegotiate) in which case it could be a case like we have seen with Jagr where they give up for one higher priced guy for 2 or 3 picks or prospects, 4th liners so and so on in an attempt to coverthemsleves off in the event that if they lose players they have more options the following year next year.

All of a sudden instead of giving up an Eric Brewer you could be looking at giving up a Pisani and Cross. (not that specifically but the idea is the same)

copperandblue is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 12:52 PM
  #28
igor*
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by copperandblue
Also consider that if teams HAVE to unload salary, trading could only be part of their solution.

It could also mean that they need to let guys walk at the end of their year (or gamble on them walking in hopes they will renegotiate) in which case it could be a case like we have seen with Jagr where they give up for one higher priced guy for 2 or 3 picks or prospects, 4th liners so and so on in an attempt to coverthemsleves off in the event that if they lose players they have more options the following year next year.

All of a sudden instead of giving up an Eric Brewer you could be looking at giving up a Pisani and Cross. (not that specifically but the idea is the same)
If the Oilers believe that this will be the case ... why on Earth were they offering over $8M to Nedved over three years?

igor* is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 12:56 PM
  #29
Yanner39
Registered User
 
Yanner39's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Ottawa ON
Country: Canada
Posts: 5,334
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by dawgbone
Don't forget... the trade market could change dramatically as well, especially if teams have to dump some salary, the Oilers are in a decent position to offer up a couple of serviceable parts for a decent return.
Wouldn't there be a grace period though. If larger markets are going to accept a salary cap or luxury tax system, would agree to it if they will get nailed right off the bat. I agree with you that they will have to make changes but I just don't see it happening overnight.

Yanner39 is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 01:04 PM
  #30
dawgbone
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,104
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to dawgbone Send a message via MSN to dawgbone
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. van Nostrin
Wouldn't there be a grace period though. If larger markets are going to accept a salary cap or luxury tax system, would agree to it if they will get nailed right off the bat. I agree with you that they will have to make changes but I just don't see it happening overnight.
I dunno... I was looking for the link all morning, but unfortunately I can't remember where I read it...

But basically it said there wouldn't be much of a grandfathering period... if at all.

Which I found interesting, because I am not sure how that would work.

__________________
TheSpecialist - MacT thinks he was that good of a hockey player when in actuality he was no better then a Louie Debrusk.
dawgbone is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 01:05 PM
  #31
dawgbone
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,104
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to dawgbone Send a message via MSN to dawgbone
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
If the Oilers believe that this will be the case ... why on Earth were they offering over $8M to Nedved over three years?
Posturing?

dawgbone is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 01:07 PM
  #32
oilswell
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wandering the globe
Posts: 1,760
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
If the Oilers believe that this will be the case ... why on Earth were they offering over $8M to Nedved over three years?
Solid question. The only thing I've got is they were trying to drive the price up for the competitors.

Edit: I just read dawg's answer and I suppose that's conceivable.

oilswell is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 01:15 PM
  #33
copperandblue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 10,724
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
If the Oilers believe that this will be the case ... why on Earth were they offering over $8M to Nedved over three years?
A couple thoughts;

- Better the Devil you know. Nedved looked alright here so for the right price you keep him. BUT he does not come with any gaurantees and with that you don't back up the Brinks truck.

- There was a chance that by signing Nedved that they can have their pie and eat it too. It's nicer to have a first line center AND have the depth that will now undoubtably be lost. In the end though, that depth is more of a luxury than a necessity.

- Appease the masses. Although I personally would probably be more disappointed in Lowe if he made his decisions based on public opinion, but this is obviously a case where signing Nedved would have played well with the Oiler Nation. He was simply a good fit on many fronts, but that fit has limits and 3 years for 3.3 mil / year to play for your second choice definately screams outside the limits in my books.

We are talking about a guy that even when it was anticipated he would sign here, people were predicting an optimistic 65 pts out of him. Wayne Gretzky he is not.

For all the Lowe bashing about bad contracts I don't know how that one would have slipped by unnoticed.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. van Nostrin
Wouldn't there be a grace period though. If larger markets are going to accept a salary cap or luxury tax system, would agree to it if they will get nailed right off the bat. I agree with you that they will have to make changes but I just don't see it happening overnight.
Your probably right but hypothetically speaking, if there are ten teams out there that need to unload players, the value of each guy is going to drop as the glut on the market increases (meaning it gets closer to contract time) and the fear of them having to be unqualified and losing them for nothing.

Better to get 25 cents on the dollar vs 10 cents or nothing at all.

copperandblue is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 01:16 PM
  #34
igor*
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by oilswell
Solid question. The only thing I've got is they were trying to drive the price up for the competitors.

Edit: I just read dawg's answer and I suppose that's conceivable.
Ya, you guys are the new breed of "conspiracy optimists" :lol

When this whole thing started with Nedved, and you looked at the type of players the Oilers had mostly acquired in the recent past, and who they had gotten rid of ... and not just age and salary but the type of on-ice guys. Nedved just didn't make any sense. I just couldn't imagine a scenario where MacTavish would tell Lowe that he thought Nedved could help them win. Doesn't make sense.

I honestly believed that Lowe was just blowing smoke about the possibility of re-signing Nedved for the sake of the marketting guys. That at the end of the day he would go elsewhere ... and that Lowe (through the Journal and CHED) would imply that it was Veronika's doing.

But hearing Howson speak ... and saying that they offered this contract to Nedved. And hearing Howson's evident disappointment. ---- My feeling is that the Oilers really were pursuing Petr. Sobering indeed.

Either that or Howson missed his calling as either a con-man or dramatic actor.

igor* is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 01:58 PM
  #35
oilswell
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Wandering the globe
Posts: 1,760
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
Ya, you guys are the new breed of "conspiracy optimists" :lol
Not at all. The flimsiness of the remaining viable excuses shows exactly how bereft the optimism cupboard is. Good new term though.

Quote:
My feeling is that the Oilers really were pursuing Petr. Sobering indeed.
Yup. I'd kick tires for a 2 year deal, but c'mon.

Quote:
Either that or Howson missed his calling as either a con-man or dramatic actor.
Frankly I expect the song and dance every time though.

oilswell is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 03:53 PM
  #36
Asiaoil
Registered User
 
Asiaoil's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2002
Country: Thailand
Posts: 5,259
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
Ya, you guys are the new breed of "conspiracy optimists" :lol
Hey igor – you get the impression that people are badly missing the real problem here? I don’t care that we lost Nedved either – but Langkow going to Calgary is a friggin dagger man. Having him and York would have been a more than decent bridge to the time when one of our young centers was ready for prime time. We would have a wickedly solid 5 on 5 group of top 6 players – not spectacular by any means – just very very effective. To alter an old line:

Nedved for show
Langkow for dough

Now Langkow is in Calgary and him on a top line with Iginla is going to be tough as hell to play against – and I predict a big points year for him. This trade is going to look very good on Sutter by next year (if there is a next year) maybe even as good as the Kipper deal. Calgary had the same problem as us after losing Conroy – no top line pivot. Well Sutter addressed his problem very well at a reasonable cost – Lowe did not – and Sutter even contributed to our problem by facilitating the Nedved signing.

Lowe was obviously asleep at the switch – and no way anyone can say “who knew Langkow was available” or “Barnett had a hard-on for Gautier”. It was pretty obvious to any casual observer that Pheonix was going to do something at center. It’s a day later and I’m still mad about the Langkow deal and how badly Lowe got schooled. First the Brewer arb farce and now this – I am now officially on the side that thinks Lowe is way closer to Craig Button than Sam Pollack as a GM.

Asiaoil’s official theme for the next season: Lowe Expectations

Asiaoil is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 03:55 PM
  #37
dawgbone
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,104
vCash: 500
Send a message via ICQ to dawgbone Send a message via MSN to dawgbone
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiaoil
Lowe was obviously asleep at the switch – and no way anyone can say “who knew Langkow was available” or “Barnett had a hard-on for Gautier”. It was pretty obvious to any casual observer that Pheonix was going to do something at center. It’s a day later and I’m still mad about the Langkow deal and how badly Lowe got schooled. First the Brewer arb farce and now this – I am now officially on the side that thinks Lowe is way closer to Craig Button than Sam Pollack as a GM.
If Phoenix had to do something at centre, why on earth would they go and sign another one almost immediately?

It puts them in the exact same position!!!!

dawgbone is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 04:04 PM
  #38
Cerebral
Registered User
 
Cerebral's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Calgary, Alberta
Country: Canada
Posts: 21,758
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Asiaoil
It’s a day later and I’m still mad about the Langkow deal and how badly Lowe got schooled.
I still fail to understand how Lowe got "schooled" in a trade that he had no involvement in. You're essentially claiming that every single GM in the league that could use an upgrade at the center position got "schooled" because they failed to trade for the almighty Langkow...

Cerebral is online now  
Old
08-27-2004, 04:37 PM
  #39
igor*
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cerebral
I still fail to understand how Lowe got "schooled" in a trade that he had no involvement in. You're essentially claiming that every single GM in the league that could use an upgrade at the center position got "schooled" because they failed to trade for the almighty Langkow...
If it wasn't a hated rival ... I doubt that there would be as much venom in his post, and those of a lot of others, including myself.

Who knows, Lowe might have not even known this option was available. Or maybe he doesn't rate Langkow? Though "gritty two-way player who just keeps getting outscoring results" does seem to fit the MacTavish mould, no? Or maybe he was frightened off by the fact he files for arbitration? Who knows?

Most teams don't have centre issues. And of those that do ... many can afford to sign a UFA, or have already (Conroy, Rolston, Nylander) or will (someone will sign Demitra, Lindros, Allison).

The pickings are slim for Lowe. Especially now.

igor* is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 04:48 PM
  #40
Matts
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Posts: 2,911
vCash: 500
Until Lowe actually acquires a centre through a trade

there's every reason to believe that he's unable to. And maybe that's because he doesn't have the chips and after being in charge for a few years well him and his scouting staff have made their own bed in that regard.

the Oil don't have depth in goal and their pivot depth chart is nothing less than laughable. so the only chips they might have are at D and forward.

Matts is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 04:49 PM
  #41
SerbianEagle
Registered User
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Edmonton
Country: Serbia
Posts: 3,578
vCash: 500
If Phoenix was asking for too much for Langkow from Edmonton, then he was right not to take the offer.

He took a dman and a winger from Calgary.

So if he asked for comparables from Edmonton, he'd have asked for either of Semy, Brewer or Staios and Isbister, Rita or Torres.

Any combo involving those guys would be overpaying to get Langkow. 1 for 1 swap for any of the above mentione guys would have been fair or close to it (Brewer).

SerbianEagle is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 05:48 PM
  #42
copperandblue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 10,724
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SerbianEagle
If Phoenix was asking for too much for Langkow from Edmonton, then he was right not to take the offer.
And this is the point to remember.

Supposedly Lankow was available to Edmonton and Lowe had conversations about him but the asking price was too high. Maybe Lowe doesn't see Langkow as the be all and end all that apparently the people on this board do and maybe that is a GOOD thing that Lowe is looking for more.

Lankow has already played on a line with Leclair and Recchi when they were producing at their best and he never cracked the 55 pt barrier with them and that's not mentioning that he is now on his 3rd team. Maybe, just maybe he isn't quite what he appears.

He is likely at best a very good defensive center but I gotta ask if that is the type of center this team is lacking especially when it comes with a 3 mil price tag.

As for Sutter running circles around Lowe, could someone please break this down for me?

Yes the Kiprusoff deal was a doozy but I still maintain that Sutter never expected to get the play out of him that he ultimately did and I also maintain that I expect to see Kiprusoff to fall off this next year, so for the sake of this one time, show me the masterfull deals that he has managed over and above Lowe.

I would suggest that his biggest impact in Calgary was behind the bench not behind the desk and even then let's see if they repeat their success.

copperandblue is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 06:59 PM
  #43
igor*
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by copperandblue
And this is the point to remember.

Supposedly Lankow was available to Edmonton and Lowe had conversations about him but the asking price was too high. Maybe Lowe doesn't see Langkow as the be all and end all that apparently the people on this board do and maybe that is a GOOD thing that Lowe is looking for more.
...
Really C&B, who knows? Very possibly the Oilers never even knew he was on the market. But the Oiler 'ministry of truth' was probably burnin' up the phone lines last night and this AM. :lol

Lowe is doing a very good job as the 'public face' of the Oilers IMO. Few GMs in this league are better glad-handers, and that's definitely too his credit. He's carried on with the Sather methods and done reasonably well (though if not for Sather trading him York and Dvorak and renting him Nedved he'd be in a heap of trouble ... nice to have important friends)

YK recently called Lowe "strikingly average" :lol ... and I think that is a fair comment. If anything a bit flattering, the other gms in this league aren't dummies.

This team is gonna absolutely rock in 2010. I'm on board now too. Seriously.

igor* is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 07:15 PM
  #44
Seachd
Registered User
 
Seachd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: The Fail
Posts: 13,757
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by copperandblue
Supposedly Lankow was available to Edmonton and Lowe had conversations about him but the asking price was too high. Maybe Lowe doesn't see Langkow as the be all and end all that apparently the people on this board do and maybe that is a GOOD thing that Lowe is looking for more.
This is what I think. I must have missed the point in time where Langkow became the best player in the league.

Seachd is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 07:27 PM
  #45
igor*
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seachd
This is what I think. I must have missed the point in time where Langkow became the best player in the league.
It happened about the same time you became smart.

i.e. It's never happened!

And it never will. For you either. Sorry.

igor* is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 07:53 PM
  #46
copperandblue
Registered User
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Posts: 10,724
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
Really C&B, who knows? Very possibly the Oilers never even knew he was on the market. But the Oiler 'ministry of truth' was probably burnin' up the phone lines last night and this AM. :lol
You really believe that?

In order for that to carry any merit, you have to assume that Lowe and Co. are doing it to appease the fan backlash.

If they are doing it to appease the fan backlash then they have to know the type of crappola that is being spewed.

If they know the type of crappola that is being spewed then they have to know that they are being chastized in part for never getting the deal done.

So with all that, what on earth does the Oiler ministry of truth have to gain by throwing out there that there was indeed another chance at a deal that never got consumated?

Sorry it just doesn't fly.

copperandblue is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 08:55 PM
  #47
igor*
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Posts: 3,276
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by copperandblue
You really believe that?

In order for that to carry any merit, you have to assume that Lowe and Co. are doing it to appease the fan backlash.

If they are doing it to appease the fan backlash then they have to know the type of crappola that is being spewed.

If they know the type of crappola that is being spewed then they have to know that they are being chastized in part for never getting the deal done.

So with all that, what on earth does the Oiler ministry of truth have to gain by throwing out there that there was indeed another chance at a deal that never got consumated?

Sorry it just doesn't fly.
Well, Lowe is no better or worse than most GMs for throwing out nonsense.

In a radio interview one week after the story 'leaked' that Lindros may be coming to the Oilers, he was interviewed and asked if Demitra was ever offered in the Weight trade ... he responded that they wouldn't have been to afford his salary anyways. So what were they planning on paying Eric with? Buttons?

And "Weight is the last Oiler that will be traded for cash reasons"

"We are in discussions with Marchant's agent regarding an extension"

etc. etc. etc. At some point I made a post with about a dozen or more of these little ditties, maybe on OF, but I thought here ... can't seem to find it using search in any case.

Either Barnett or the Oilers are blowing smoke ... and the Oilers have a shameless history in this regard ... so you have to think that the smart money is on them in this instance.

igor* is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 09:47 PM
  #48
Seachd
Registered User
 
Seachd's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: The Fail
Posts: 13,757
vCash: 50
Quote:
Originally Posted by igor
It happened about the same time you became smart.

i.e. It's never happened!

And it never will. For you either. Sorry.
Okay... Aside from the disturbing fact that the Igor we're all used to around here seems to have been replaced by a someone who likes to insult me, I just fail to see all the doom and gloom associated with yesterday.

It's pretty obvious Lowe knew Langkow was on the market. It's also clear, from what we hear, that the price was too high. Had Lowe given up Torres + Staios, for example, would the cheers be as loud if Langkow got 12 goals next year? Ditto with Nedved if they threw $3.5 million at him?

"Weight's gone. We're screwed."
"Brewer/York/Isbister/Smith/Smyth/Moreau is getting paid too much. We're screwed."
"Carter's gone. We're screwed."
"Niinimaa's gone. We're screwed."
"They should have traded for Kiprusoff. We're screwed."
"Nedved's a Coyote. We're screwed."
"Langkow's a Flame. We're screwed."

In the grand scheme of things, Oiler fans have very little to complain about the last 8 or so seasons. I guess that's why some will jump on the smallest thing they can find and tear it apart.


Last edited by Seachd: 08-27-2004 at 09:52 PM.
Seachd is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 10:04 PM
  #49
Jamie
Registered User
 
Jamie's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Victoria, BC
Posts: 2,569
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Seachd
Okay... Aside from the disturbing fact that the Igor we're all used to around here seems to have been replaced by a five year old, I just fail to see all the doom and gloom associated with yesterday.

It's pretty obvious Lowe knew Langkow was on the market. It's also clear, from what we hear, that the price was too high. Had Lowe given up Torres + Staios, for example, would the cheers be as loud if Langkow got 12 goals next year? Ditto with Nedved if they threw $3.5 million at him?

"Weight's gone. We're screwed."
"Brewer/York/Isbister/Smith/Smyth/Moreau is getting paid too much. We're screwed."
"Carter's gone. We're screwed."
"Niinimaa's gone. We're screwed."
"They should have traded for Kiprusoff. We're screwed."
"Nedved's a Coyote. We're screwed."
"Langkow's a Flame. We're screwed."

In the grand scheme of things, Oiler fans have very little to complain about the last 8 or so seasons. I guess that's why some will jump on the smallest thing they can find and tear it apart.
lol. Great post. I haven't been to active posting here the last couple day's as it's turned into a whine fest. From day 1 of the offseason I've been skpetical about resigning Nedved, and constantly reminding people that he is not some sort og God people were making him out to be. Yes, he did finish the season strong with us, but he hasn't been consistant at all through his career, so I looked at as nothing more than a hot streak. I would've liked Langkow much more as an option, but like you said, no matter who he dealt, one of them was a talented young player(like Saprykin) so people would have got mad at him as it would've been on of Stoll, Torres or Hemsky.

People have gotten upset with all these past deals, but look at just one season past where they were dealt, and we've been the clear winner. We would not have been able to resign Weight at $6 million, or even like many of you suggest, he'd sign at less, we couldn't have afforded $5 million. Niinimaa's injury has slowed him down extremely since dealt and IMO, Torres helped our team easily more last season than Niinimaa would've. People were super upset at the Carter deal. I remember many posts like this one: "We dealt our best player for some bum that can't score with super talent in NY AND we had to give super good Pisa in as well for overpaid useless Cross to boot!" Well, looking back. Carter's career went down the drain. Cross has been a very good player for us, while Pisa I doubt will ever have an NHL career. Dvorak may not be a big time goal scorer, and that could still easily change, but he's an excellent 2 way winger. Everyone was mad with how Lowe handled the Comrie situation, and now it appears as if no one would want him back and we love who we got back in return.

Anyway, if you haven't caught on, my point is, weather willing to admit it or not, everyone has a little bit of homerism to their opinions. When a guy's an Oiler, his value is higher than when not. Do to this, Lowe will get critisized for just about any move he makes, good or bad. Funniest thing may be the only thing I saw praise for in Lowe's favour has been the signing of Adam Oates, and that turned out to be one of his worst moves.

I'm not trying to say definetivly, that he is a great GM or anything like that, but most people here are way over-reacting. I do think he is a solid GM, definetly not the best, and his patience while being an asset, can also be a bit of a hinderance, but none the less, I'm much happier with him here than most GM's around the league.

Jamie is offline  
Old
08-27-2004, 10:12 PM
  #50
Narnia
HFBoards Sponsor
 
Narnia's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Surrey, BC
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,394
vCash: 500
Send a message via MSN to Narnia
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamie
lol. Great post. I haven't been to active posting here the last couple day's as it's turned into a whine fest. From day 1 of the offseason I've been skpetical about resigning Nedved, and constantly reminding people that he is not some sort og God people were making him out to be. Yes, he did finish the season strong with us, but he hasn't been consistant at all through his career, so I looked at as nothing more than a hot streak. I would've liked Langkow much more as an option, but like you said, no matter who he dealt, one of them was a talented young player(like Saprykin) so people would have got mad at him as it would've been on of Stoll, Torres or Hemsky.

People have gotten upset with all these past deals, but look at just one season past where they were dealt, and we've been the clear winner. We would not have been able to resign Weight at $6 million, or even like many of you suggest, he'd sign at less, we couldn't have afforded $5 million. Niinimaa's injury has slowed him down extremely since dealt and IMO, Torres helped our team easily more last season than Niinimaa would've. People were super upset at the Carter deal. I remember many posts like this one: "We dealt our best player for some bum that can't score with super talent in NY AND we had to give super good Pisa in as well for overpaid useless Cross to boot!" Well, looking back. Carter's career went down the drain. Cross has been a very good player for us, while Pisa I doubt will ever have an NHL career. Dvorak may not be a big time goal scorer, and that could still easily change, but he's an excellent 2 way winger. Everyone was mad with how Lowe handled the Comrie situation, and now it appears as if no one would want him back and we love who we got back in return.

Anyway, if you haven't caught on, my point is, weather willing to admit it or not, everyone has a little bit of homerism to their opinions. When a guy's an Oiler, his value is higher than when not. Do to this, Lowe will get critisized for just about any move he makes, good or bad. Funniest thing may be the only thing I saw praise for in Lowe's favour has been the signing of Adam Oates, and that turned out to be one of his worst moves.

I'm not trying to say definetivly, that he is a great GM or anything like that, but most people here are way over-reacting. I do think he is a solid GM, definetly not the best, and his patience while being an asset, can also be a bit of a hinderance, but none the less, I'm much happier with him here than most GM's around the league.
I agree with your post. The funny part is that Slats didn't get criticized for every trade like Lowe is. He did get criticized for some trades but not every trade he made. I remember the first trade Lowe made when he became GM. He traded Hamrlik to the Islanders for Brewer, Josh Green and a second round draft pick (Brad Winchester). Posters wanted Lowe fired right then and it has continued to this day.

__________________
"He just ate up Robyn Regehr for dinner, a spectacular play by Hemsky, and Robyn Regehr has got doo doo all over his face" - Rod Phillips call on Hemsky's goal vs the Flames
Narnia is offline  
Closed Thread

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 10:19 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. ©2015 All Rights Reserved.