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10-09-2011, 09:54 AM
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Some very questionable penalty calls led more to the Ottawa sem-comeback than Komi's play. Granted Schenn has looked pretty average so far this year.
You are being generous to Schenn.

Not sure what went on over the summer, but he has to change his training to be ready to start the season.

Discpline was a problem last night as well, taking dumb penalties. Phaneuf's over the glass from one end to the other ... bad luck, but it did put them 2 men down.

Pointing at Komisarek for a period of mistakes made by quite a few players?

Anyone wonder what Schenn was doing on the DaCosta goal?

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10-09-2011, 09:56 AM
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Anyone wonder what Schenn was doing on the DaCosta goal?
that was reaally bad.

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10-09-2011, 09:57 AM
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i hope next game the lines are

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Liles - Schenn
Gardiner - Franson

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10-09-2011, 09:59 AM
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Komi is a great policeman infront of the crease and he is a threat to any forchecker going into the corner with him. he brings leadership, grit, and experience. he has been an elite dmen before and he doesnt have to be one now to be effective. he is basically the perfect 6th defenseman and in a 7 game series he is an absolutely huge factor.

people look at his mediocre puckhandling skills and average at best skating and think he doesnt belong in the NHL. when in fact he is what every team needs. he doesnt need to make plays he needs to prevent them and keep our slot tidy. he does a fine job at this but it is just a part of the game that only sticks out when it turns out negative.

I am just really a big fan of komis (if you couldnt tell ) and always held out hope he would snap out of his funk and resemble the young Habs version of himself. he is close to that now and I think he will have a tremendous season for us.

he is our Derian Hatcher. people cant seem to forget that one boneheaded giveaway against Montreal but the same people discount he was coming off a pretty serious injury and did not have a steady partner for a long time. his confidence was non existent. he also had trouble away from the rink. not a good mix for this market.


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10-09-2011, 09:59 AM
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Komi's cap hit doesn't matter right now. TMLSE is not exactly on a tight budget - well. maybe they are down to their last billion - and the Leafs are under the cap. If they get the opportunity to add a valuable asset that would take them over the cap, then that would be the time to address the problem.

Komi has played at least decently this year. The meltdown in the late 3rd period was a team problem, not a Komi problem, and I am sure the coaching staff will address it. In the meantime, it might be worth remembering the Leafs are 2-0 with wins over division rivals. It's time to leave Komi alone for a while.

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10-09-2011, 10:00 AM
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That 4th. goal was a breakdown by 2 or 3 players, Steckel won the face-off and Dupuis is soft on the puck and loses it and Alfredsson skates in ahead of Gunnarsson. Never should have been a chance Liles IIRC was too deep on the face off or the puck would have been to him for an easy clear.

Throughout the third period the forwards were cheating and you could see it was only a matter of time. Sens came back against Detroit the night before.

Early in the season teams have to play 60 minutes, not 40. Coaches aren't on the ice so the players lost control of the game by getting out of win mode and into cruise and trying to pile up the points.
He played Alfredsson soft. He was right beside him and just let him go.

No doubt, other players screwed up on the play too, but Alfredsson was Gunnar's man.

If it was Komisarek instead of Gunnar that let Alfredsson loose, people here would be all over him.

Outside of Dion, the entire defense had a rough night.

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10-09-2011, 10:01 AM
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Schenn fell down

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Komi-bashing is so last year.

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I thought Komisarek has been playing very well on the penalty kill. He's getting in the passing lanes and sacrificing his body to block shots consistently. He's also been quite efficient at clearing the zone.

He's been playing very well.

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Schenn fell down
You can watch the highlights here.

There are 5 Leafs on the ice. http://www.nhl.com/ice/boxscore.htm?id=2011020011

Ah, you fixed the 5-3 comment.

He didn't fall he was trying to play street hockey. But the point is Komisarek wasn't alone in screwing up.

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Thought so too, he got the puck out several times first two periods. The entire team started to panic in the third.

A lot of posters here just make things up to put down Komisarek, Kessel and Kadri.
The guy isn't making things up.

You're crediting Komisarek because he was able to get the puck out of our zone? You know a player has been bad when the best thing you can compliment him on is that he managed to get the puck out a couple times.

He also got beat a few times because of his footspeed, with one of those times being on the first goal; and it was his penalties which really started the collapse in the third.

He hasn't been brutal like he was for a lot of last season but he's not been overly great. Outside of a few hits and a couple average shifts, he's been regular Komisarek.

edit: I think we've seen both Komisarek's. We've seen one who has had some good PK shifts and thrown some good hits. And we've seen one who's slow, bad at handling the puck and prone to mistakes/penalties.


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Schenn looks awful.

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You are being generous to Schenn.

Not sure what went on over the summer, but he has to change his training to be ready to start the season.


Discpline was a problem last night as well, taking dumb penalties. Phaneuf's over the glass from one end to the other ... bad luck, but it did put them 2 men down.

Pointing at Komisarek for a period of mistakes made by quite a few players?

Anyone wonder what Schenn was doing on the DaCosta goal?
I was under the impression he trained with Shea Weber all summer. Pretty sure I heard it on the Fan 590.

Right now it looks like he didn't train at all, he's gotta step it up.

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That first goal was completely Komisarek's fault, he should have either played positionally and stuck in front of the net or made up his mind to pick up a man. No lame excuses about Gardiner either, Komi was the one chasing the puck at a snail's pace. He is also still constantly struggling to make a decent pass or even chip the puck out of the zone.

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He played Alfredsson soft. He was right beside him and just let him go.

No doubt, other players screwed up on the play too, but Alfredsson was Gunnar's man.

If it was Komisarek instead of Gunnar that let Alfredsson loose, people here would be all over him.

Outside of Dion, the entire defense had a rough night.
yes i agree, its just that Schenn was far more terrible on the whole than anyone else. he made a nice play on the kessel breakaway pass but other than that his d zone coverage was atrocious. i was laughing as he swam on the ice on the Pk and let his man one time home a gimme. he looked rightfully embarassed.

and yes, if that had been komisarek he would have been burned in effigy.

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Big Schenn fan here, but he's been looking like **** ... but its just 2 games.

Komi is getting the Grabo treatment a few years ago, even if he's okay, he still gets crapped on.

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yes i agree, its just that Schenn was far more terrible on the whole than anyone else. he made a nice play on the kessel breakaway pass but other than that his d zone coverage was atrocious. i was laughing as he swam on the ice on the Pk and let his man one time home a gimme. he looked rightfully embarassed.

and yes, if that had been komisarek he would have been burned in effigy.
Yeah, Luke doesn't look like himself yet, but he'll come around.

Despite an off night, he made a good play taking a hit from Neil to get the puck out, resulting in an assist on Kessel's game winning goal.

He also fought Neil, drawing an (admittingly cheap) extra four minutes for Neil, which led to a powerplay goal by Lupul.

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Why make a thread only about Komisarek?

Every Leafs Defencemen was awful yesterday (Except Phaneuf)

This Komisarek bashing needs to really stop.


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The guy isn't making things up.

You're crediting Komisarek because he was able to get the puck out of our zone? You know a player has been bad when the best thing you can compliment him on is that he managed to get the puck out a couple times.

He also got beat a few times because of his footspeed, with one of those times being on the first goal; and it was his penalties which really started the collapse in the third.

He hasn't been brutal like he was for a lot of last season but he's not been overly great. Outside of a few hits and a couple average shifts, he's been regular Komisarek.

edit: I think we've seen both Komisarek's. We've seen one who has had some good PK shifts and thrown some good hits. And we've seen one who's slow, bad at handling the puck and prone to mistakes/penalties.
Correction. You know the TEAM has been bad when Komisarek getting the puck out of the zone can be considered a positive.

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10-09-2011, 10:34 AM
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We won,and thats all that matters. This thread,and all the other ones complaining are common when we win,for one of the most common/strange characteristics on this board.

Teams have been letting up after 3 goal leads for decades. Take the win and enjoy it.

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wtf komi has played fine so far, watch the game.... why didn't you start a thread about luke having such a bad game yesterday? Its one ****** game and we won so there is no need for a dumb thread like this.

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Gardiner has to pick a man and stick with him. That one goal was as much to do with Gardiner and Steckel as it was Komisarek. (and I am not usually a Komisarek apologist)

Shorty by Alfred was Gardiner again. Reimer slapped his stick, Gardiner wasn't paying attention.

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Very true. Gardiner made a poor read in his coverage and Komisarek tried to cover for him. Komi tried to force the play on Speeza. It obviously didn't work out but I can see why Komi did what he did on that play. He let Greening, who is a nobody go by him to not let Speeza, a bonafide point per game player have all kinds of time to dangle in the slot. Overall Komi is looking far better this year and that needs to be scene as positive encouragement over how he has played the last two seasons.

Our only D who actually had a great game last night was Phaneuf who has looked unbelievable so far. Two games in a row he has been a force.

Schenn has looked terrible so far. Making unforced errors and reading the play slow.

Liles has come as advertised great in the offensive zone but also give the puck away at times.

Gardiner has great wheels but is poor at reading his defensive assignments.

Gunnarson has made unforced errors with the puck and needs to be more willing to take/give a hit if he ever is going to truly be a good # 3 or 4 dman. Right now he is far too timid.

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10-09-2011, 10:54 AM
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He's been fine. You're just upset with his salary.

Deal with it

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Every Leafs Defencemen was awful yesterday (Except Phaneuf)


Liles and Gunnarsson were not awful, ok bud

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Also, some of our experts on HFBoards act as if this is Game 7 of the Cup finals and the Leafs are Cup Contenders at the moment.

Best thing when a game like this happens: Forget it, and look at the scoreboard and realize you've got 2 points in regulation.

Had this been the Leafs of 2 years ago, we would have folded and allowed an OT goal by Alfredsson. We have played 4/6 periods of good hockey with 4/6 top six players.

This team can do better, we all know it, and Komisarek was just fine yesterday.

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