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10-13-2011, 12:33 PM
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Sloan = pimple
Schultz = pimple
Therefore, Sloan = Schultz

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10-13-2011, 12:34 PM
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I hope Knuble has a big game tonight he plays really well against the Pens.

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10-13-2011, 12:38 PM
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This is great. A storied rivalry game has turned into a trap game for us. Why couldn't they have cleared Crosby on Tuesday or something?

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10-13-2011, 12:39 PM
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Win or lose, I just want to see some good signs from 8/19.
I've already seen some good signs from 19. Not stat-wise yet, but just in speed and effort. He seems more focused, and intent on returning to form of '09-'10.

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10-13-2011, 12:41 PM
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This is great. A storied rivalry game has turned into a trap game for us. Why couldn't they have cleared Crosby on Tuesday or something?
It's gonna be a trap game until they beat us.. Were what, 10-0-2 over the last 2 years against them? I hope it's not tonight, but if it is, so be it.. I'd almost put seeing Ovi and Nicky have a great game over beating the Pens..

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10-13-2011, 12:41 PM
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Well, for example, you'd think Jeff Schultz fought in revolutionary war for the British, the way some people are here act.
That's crazy talk!

Who'd ever believe that Jeff Schultz fought?

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10-13-2011, 12:46 PM
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It's gonna be a trap game until they beat us.. Were what, 10-0-2 over the last 2 years against them? I hope it's not tonight, but if it is, so be it.. I'd almost put seeing Ovi and Nicky have a great game over beating the Pens..
I'm just saying, it's one of those things where if we win it'll be "oh we didn't have any of our key players." Which is rightfully so. But if they pull off the upset, they'll celebrate with the same energy as a team that won a playoff game. Like "Haha, we were missing our best stay at home defenseman, both star centers, and our number 1 goalie and yet we still beat you."

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10-13-2011, 12:48 PM
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I've already seen some good signs from 19. Not stat-wise yet, but just in speed and effort. He seems more focused, and intent on returning to form of '09-'10.
Nicky has played well, but he needs to finish. Ovi set him up for two nice goals last game and he missed on both of them.

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10-13-2011, 12:50 PM
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Well, for example, you'd think Jeff Schultz fought in revolutionary war for the British, the way some people are here act.
Thought that the purpose of these boards was for discussion to include giving one's opinion.

That being said, I'll agree with you on the position/opinion that Jeff Schultz is better than TFS.

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10-13-2011, 12:50 PM
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Just play well. I"m tired of listening to media outlets talking about the 'Caps sow start' etc. It's tiresome. It's fashionable to trash the Caps these days.

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This is great. A storied rivalry game has turned into a trap game for us. Why couldn't they have cleared Crosby on Tuesday or something?
Cleared shmered. I could care less when he starts playing, but the entertainment value alone of watching will be sky-high. Whoever plays them first should come out hitting him every chance they get. Clean hits mind you, but hard hits. I hope if/when he goes vs. the Caps, that the Caps don't put on kid gloves with him. If anything, even the slightest hit will cause the Penguins to take retaliatory penalties.

If he's going to be out there, then drill him, as often as possible. It's the NHL, not a kiddie league. If he's not ready to take hits then if something happens to him (like last year) then it's on the Pens heads.

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I've already seen some good signs from 19. Not stat-wise yet, but just in speed and effort. He seems more focused, and intent on returning to form of '09-'10.
Backs was fantastic in game one. If he continues that trend he'll be a dominant force again. I thought he was the worst player on ice for the Caps in game two. Awful with the puck, and awful on defense. I saw very little effort from him in game two. Hopefully it was just an off night for him. I am encouraged by how he played in the first game - at least we know he CAN get back to his old form.

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Thought that the purpose of these boards was for discussion to include giving one's opinion.

That being said, I'll agree with you on the position/opinion that Jeff Schultz is better than TFS.
I just don't get why he draws so much ire. You'd think he was on the ice for every GA, when usually he more than holds his own on GA, both even strength and short handed.

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Schultz is nothing close to the disaster that the Sloan was. If anything, 55 frustrates me because he has so many chances to lay big hits on people and doesn't. The guy might be our weakest defenseman but what do you expect from that position? You aren't going to have great d-men at every spot in your lineup every night...

The Sloan was simply a clusterflop no matter how you slice it.

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I'm just saying, it's one of those things where if we win it'll be "oh we didn't have any of our key players." Which is rightfully so. But if they pull off the upset, they'll celebrate with the same energy as a team that won a playoff game. Like "Haha, we were missing our best stay at home defenseman, both star centers, and our number 1 goalie and yet we still beat you."
who cares about a game in October so much as to celebrate, laugh, or care about either

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10-13-2011, 01:21 PM
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I just don't get why he draws so much ire. You'd think he was on the ice for every GA, when usually he more than holds his own on GA, both even strength and short handed.
As far as the plus minus rating goes, I thought we've had that discussion in the past on these boards and many believed that it's an unreliable statistic.

Regarding the ire for Schultz, I can only speak for myself. I understand and accept the skill differences among players, but what I can't accept is when a player lacks heart. When you are 6'6" and are playing against players much smaller than you, there's no excuse that you don't put your body on the opponent's body from time to time. If I could see Schultz lay somebody out from time to time I'd be satisfied with him and you wouldn't hear a peep from me. However, you're making 2.75 a year and can't body check, well unleash the ire!

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Not talking about plus minus, talking about actual defensive metrics. Qualcomp, GAON/60 etc.

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Come on now. Individually Backis and AO look so much better on the ice than last year. Just need to get some chemistry.
This is not meant to be a criticism, but when I read the comment that Ovie and Nick need to get some chemistry, I recall reading somewhere else in the last few days that the two need to "gell" more, etc. And two quick thoughts came to mind:

Brooks, Chimmer and Joel got chemistry in two games and some limited play together in preseason.

Ovie and Nick, who are both supremely talented, have been playing together at ES and on the PP for nearly four years now, and are still trying to get chemistry, still trying to gell?

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Not sure who this is being pointed to...but I dont think anyone is equivocating him to Sloan. Yet.

Every team in the NHL has weak parts...pimples so to speak. Its our "thing" as fans to pick at those bad parts...those pimples...until they get infected. Then when they scab over...we pick them some more. Hideous terrible pimples that likely wouldn't draw any attention if they would be left alone...but we keep picking and picking and picking.

Sloan was a pimple last season. Now its Schultz. Two completely different pimples in terms of talent and position with the team...but still pimples. They eventually just go away.

Just the way it is.
The worse thing that happend to Jeff Schultz is that TFS, David Steckel and Flash are no longer on this team.

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The thing with Schultz not checking, though, I never understood why people think of him as a "big" player rather than a "tall" one. Despite his height and his weight, the dude is skinny. And he's not a good skater either, so what makes people think that he should be an effective hitter even if he wanted to?

Not saying I wouldn't like to see him use his size to his advantage more (if not in terms of hitting then at least in terms of pinning along the boards and whatnot); Lord knows his game is lacking in several of those areas. I just never understood the "he's tall = he has to hit" aspect of the criticisms of his game. Criticize him for being slow, for making poor decisions when he makes them, for being weak along the boards or for contributing too little in the offensive zone. But why expect him to be a hitter when he's not particularly built like one?

And of course I have no issue with people who feel he overall doesn't bring enough to the table for the price he makes, or don't like the way he fits in with the rest of the blueline, or whatever.

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The thing with Schultz not checking, though, I never understood why people think of him as a "big" player rather than a "tall" one. Despite his height and his weight, the dude is skinny. And he's not a good skater either, so what makes people think that he should be an effective hitter even if he wanted to?

Not saying I wouldn't like to see him use his size to his advantage more (if not in terms of hitting then at least in terms of pinning along the boards and whatnot); Lord knows his game is lacking in several of those areas. I just never understood the "he's tall = he has to hit" aspect of the criticisms of his game. Criticize him for being slow, for making poor decisions when he makes them, for being weak along the boards or for contributing too little in the offensive zone. But why expect him to be a hitter when he's not particularly built like one?

And of course I have no issue with people who feel he overall doesn't bring enough to the table for the price he makes, or don't like the way he fits in with the rest of the blueline, or whatever.
I wonder what shultz would look like taking hits from Ov in a 7 game series, we wouldn't know of course he wouldn't be out defending against the top line.

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I have no problem with Jeff Schultz as #6 and PK specialist, even if he never hits a soul. He's been our best PK regular for a few seasons now, both in the old and new system. Even if someone might be a more physical presence at even-strength, I think it's worth the sacrifice to have Schultz on the PK.

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Not talking about plus minus, talking about actual defensive metrics. Qualcomp, GAON/60 etc.
You're talking "Behind the Net" hockey analysis and stats. I like the Bill James approach for baseball but to be honest have not gotten into it with the hockey stats of quality of competition etc.

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The thing with Schultz not checking, though, I never understood why people think of him as a "big" player rather than a "tall" one. Despite his height and his weight, the dude is skinny. And he's not a good skater either, so what makes people think that he should be an effective hitter even if he wanted to?

Not saying I wouldn't like to see him use his size to his advantage more (if not in terms of hitting then at least in terms of pinning along the boards and whatnot); Lord knows his game is lacking in several of those areas. I just never understood the "he's tall = he has to hit" aspect of the criticisms of his game. Criticize him for being slow, for making poor decisions when he makes them, for being weak along the boards or for contributing too little in the offensive zone. But why expect him to be a hitter when he's not particularly built like one?

And of course I have no issue with people who feel he overall doesn't bring enough to the table for the price he makes, or don't like the way he fits in with the rest of the blueline, or whatever.
Hitting imho is part of the position description for a defenseman. Not saying that every defenseman needs to be laying hits all game long, but it should definitely be in every defenseman's tool box along with blocking shots. Should just come with the territory of playing in front of the net, along the boards and in the corners.

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Hitting imho is part of the position description for a defenseman. Not saying that every defenseman needs to be laying hits all game long, but it should definitely be in every defenseman's tool box along with blocking shots. Should just come with the territory of playing in front of the net, along the boards and in the corners.
Hitting should be in every defensemen's tool box, but not passing? *cough Scott Hannan *cough can't pass his way out of a paper bag *cough

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