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Washington Capitals @ Pittsburgh Penguins. 10.13.2011. 7PM. Consol. NHL Network.

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10-13-2011, 02:46 PM
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Crosby cleared for contact. waiting to hear if he'll be in the line up after their practise is done.
Crosby probably won't be playing in a game for another two weeks or so...there's no time table set, but he still needs to face contact in practice and see how he reacts. He won't be rushed back into the line-up. I have as much of a chance of playing for the Penguins tonight as Sid does.

Geno is a game-time decision. I expect he'll play, partially because of the Lokomotiv thing and partially because it is the Capitals...I don't know how effective he'll be, though.


Here's to a good early season game, guys and gals.

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10-13-2011, 02:48 PM
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When was the last time Sloan played forward? I remember a year or two ago all people were talking was the fact that Sloan could play both wing and defense and how great it was to have such a versatile player. He was a poor mans Dustin Byfuglien before Dustin became the true definition of a two way player.

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10-13-2011, 02:51 PM
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When was the last time Sloan played forward? I remember a year or two ago all people were talking was the fact that Sloan could play both wing and defense and how great it was to have such a versatile player. He was a poor mans Dustin Byfuglien before Dustin became the true definition of a two way player.
Not on this board you didn't.

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10-13-2011, 02:54 PM
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I just don't get why he draws so much ire. You'd think he was on the ice for every GA, when usually he more than holds his own on GA, both even strength and short handed.
How can you NOT get it?

Biggest guy on the ice is also the slowest and softest and makes a ton of money for a 6th D. If this were Chimera, Fehr, Bradley, or some other bottom 6 plumber, you would have already burned him at the stake!

Two way street my friend...

I'm not at all outraged by Schultz though. He's light years better than the last few years #6/7 guy. I accepted a long time ago that McPhee loves him for whatever reason.

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10-13-2011, 02:55 PM
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Not on this board you didn't.
Yeah that's just nonsense.

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Not on this board you didn't.
Caps Insider comment section. And yeah 'great' was a stretch on my part. More of a rationalization.

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10-13-2011, 02:59 PM
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Dustin Byfuglien, two-way player?

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10-13-2011, 03:05 PM
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Caps Insider comment section. And yeah 'great' was a stretch on my part. More of a rationalization.
and thats what you get for reading tabloids

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10-13-2011, 03:23 PM
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Hitting should be in every defensemen's tool box, but not passing? *cough Scott Hannan *cough can't pass his way out of a paper bag *cough
Just to be argumentative, some more, both Hannan and Schultz each have one assist so far this season, so apparently Hannan has succeeded with at least one pass so far as has Schultz. Are you coming down with something, that cough sounds bad.

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10-13-2011, 03:27 PM
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You're talking "Behind the Net" hockey analysis and stats. I like the Bill James approach for baseball but to be honest have not gotten into it with the hockey stats of quality of competition etc.
That's a fascinating story about yourself there, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with what is being discussed. Also, the fact that you are unfamiliar with statistics that try to measure defensive play doesn't make those statistics ineligible for this discussion; in fact, it probably makes you ineligible.

Anyway, I'm in favor of all Jeff Schultz-related talk being banned from here. It's plagued by so much irrationality at this point that it's completely pointless in the first place.

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10-13-2011, 03:34 PM
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That's a fascinating story about yourself there, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with what is being discussed. Also, the fact that you are unfamiliar with statistics that try to measure defensive play doesn't make those statistics ineligible for this discussion; in fact, it probably makes you ineligible.

Anyway, I'm in favor of all Jeff Schultz-related talk being banned from here. It's plagued by so much irrationality at this point that it's completely pointless in the first place.
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10-13-2011, 03:43 PM
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Just to be argumentative, some more, both Hannan and Schultz each have one assist so far this season, so apparently Hannan has succeeded with at least one pass so far as has Schultz. Are you coming down with something, that cough sounds bad.
I liked Schultz a lot less than Hannon last year, but I've watched every flames game this year and hannons really taken a couple steps back since last year on another note one thing that I found funny about crosbys injury was a bunch of casual hockey fans I know paid a ton to watch crosby play the flames and then didn't even get to. Being casual fans they barely knew malkin and staal to, which is actually semi pathetic for canadians o

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10-13-2011, 03:49 PM
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Also some of the talk on this board is unbelievable at times. Calling for ovie to be traded because he's a little off in game three of the season? Jesus leafs fans aren't even that ******* stupid. Also if the biggest complaint most have on here is with Schultz and his 15 mins a night we should all be thankful. To me Schultz is just one of those players out there than in a way looks a lot worse than he is yea he looks like he's moving in slow motion and all that but somehow when he's on the puck doesn't go in. Even if half the time it looks like it should. And obviously I would love to see schultz pound some guys but it is what it is. My three keys to the game are 1. 8 and 19 chemistry and get the pk moving. 2. Third line continue to dominate 3. Vokoun to have a nice bounceback

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I wonder what shultz would look like taking hits from Ov in a 7 game series, we wouldn't know of course he wouldn't be out defending against the top line.
if his coach would be bruce boudreau he would
seriously my only problem with schultz is that he gets to much toi, i dont want him to see trapped in his own zone with mike green. just be a bottom pair defenseman and all be good so far he is just that.

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10-13-2011, 03:57 PM
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I liked Schultz a lot less than Hannon last year, but I've watched every flames game this year and hannons really taken a couple steps back since last year on another note one thing that I found funny about crosbys injury was a bunch of casual hockey fans I know paid a ton to watch crosby play the flames and then didn't even get to. Being casual fans they barely knew malkin and staal to, which is actually semi pathetic for canadians o
Isn't Calgary using him as one of their top 4 d-men? He's not that any more, he's more suited for 5/6.

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10-13-2011, 04:00 PM
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The thing with Schultz not checking, though, I never understood why people think of him as a "big" player rather than a "tall" one. Despite his height and his weight, the dude is skinny. And he's not a good skater either, so what makes people think that he should be an effective hitter even if he wanted to?

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That's a fascinating story about yourself there, but unfortunately it has nothing to do with what is being discussed. Also, the fact that you are unfamiliar with statistics that try to measure defensive play doesn't make those statistics ineligible for this discussion; in fact, it probably makes you ineligible.

Anyway, I'm in favor of all Jeff Schultz-related talk being banned from here. It's plagued by so much irrationality at this point that it's completely pointless in the first place.
What does limit the usefulness of those statistics is that they cannot establish causation so far as individual players are concerned. Baseball can be broken down into head to head matchups and independent events. Hockey cannot.

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10-13-2011, 04:10 PM
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Just to be argumentative, some more, both Hannan and Schultz each have one assist so far this season, so apparently Hannan has succeeded with at least one pass so far as has Schultz. Are you coming down with something, that cough sounds bad.
Shultz's was a slapper that was going to be wide but was deflected on the way. To be fair it was an awesome slapper. He would get a lot more good attention if he could fire that off consistently.

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Any word if Knuble is in fact going to be on the 2nd line with MoJo and Jiz? I read yesterday, or the day before, the lines got mixed up and Brouwer was on the top line and Knuble was on the 2nd. If so, how the hell is Old Man Knuble going to keep up with a MoJo that has a pretty big fire lit under his bum?

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LOL good one. Sarge is our medusa with his legs arms and twigs, befuddling the opposition into confusion.

I am pretty sure Erskine led our D in one of those superstats. I suspect it was "not a big enough sample size" when I pointed it out.

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I have no problem with Jeff Schultz as #6 and PK specialist, even if he never hits a soul. He's been our best PK regular for a few seasons now, both in the old and new system. Even if someone might be a more physical presence at even-strength, I think it's worth the sacrifice to have Schultz on the PK.
yes...a regular on a PK that was bad for a few seasons before last season....and last season Im betting Hanan had more PK duty than 55

to be a specialist I would think you would have to really excel at something. I dont think 55 really excels on the PK, hes just on it

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What does limit the usefulness of those statistics is that they cannot establish causation so far as individual players are concerned. Baseball can be broken down into head to head matchups and independent events. Hockey cannot.
Baseball's statistics can isolate the individual's contribution, abilities etc.. without taking into consideration other players on their team whereas with hockey a great deal of an individual's statitstics are reliant upon who is on the ice at the same time as that player both on their team as well as the opponents, thus more difficult to decipher the actual contribution of that one player.

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yes...a regular on a PK that was bad for a few seasons before last season....and last season Im betting Hanan had more PK duty than 55

to be a specialist I would think you would have to really excel at something. I dont think 55 really excels on the PK, hes just on it
You're correct that Hannan saw slightly more PK time than Schultz (2:40/game vs. 2:26/game). But Schultz did dramatically better. Hannan allowed 5.87 GA/60 compared to Schultz's 3.89 GA/60. Both allowed similar shots against/60 (45.5 for Hannan vs 44.9 for Schultz).

Among defensemen with 100+min of PK played for the Capitals last season, Schultz is the run-away winner in terms of least goals against per 60. Next closest is Carlson at 4.72 GA/60. ShaMo was the only defenseman close to Schultz in 2009-2010 (Schultz led at 6.06 GA/60 while Morrisonn had 6.19) and 2008-2009 (Schultz with 6.58, Morrisonn with 7.01).

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I'm thinking about emailing Leonsis and telling them to move Ovechkin off the point and put wideman on it.

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