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10-13-2011, 04:04 PM
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I'm thinking about emailing Leonsis and telling them to move Ovechkin off the point and put wideman on it.
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10-13-2011, 04:06 PM
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I'm thinking about emailing Leonsis and telling them to move Ovechkin off the point and put wideman on it.

Ovi/Backs/Brouwer
Wide/Green

PP2
Semin/Majo/Laich
Carlzner
not bad, switch laich and brouwer and replace alzner with hamrlik

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10-13-2011, 04:08 PM
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Hannan 5.87, just how many goals was that for the entire year, 15?

DMens PK stats are largely meaningless to me based from my research last year, a few soft goals pinned on a goalie with the same D on the ice, can have a dramatic influence on who is the best PKer. So with few PK goals allowed on a strong team, makes a single goal against just crush ones stats relative to his teammates.

I would like a stat blaming an individual for a goal against. Or make him a minus -2.

And I want a stat that keeps track of pancakes damnit. And deicing of a player off his skates.

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10-13-2011, 04:14 PM
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Hannan 5.87, just how many goals was that for the entire year, 15?
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Jeff Schultz allowed 13.

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DMens PK stats are largely meaningless to me based from my research last year, a few soft goals pinned on a goalie with the same D on the ice, can have a dramatic influence on who is the best PKer. So with few PK goals allowed on a strong team, makes a single goal against just crush ones stats relative to his teammates.

I would like a stat blaming an individual for a goal against. Or make him a minus -2.

And I want a stat that keeps track of pancakes damnit. And deicing of a player off his skates.
Pancakes and dekes are great, but they don't win games. Goals do. And Jeff Schultz allows fewer goals than our other defensemen on the PK. And it's been that way for years, so the sample size is starting to do away with any random chance arguments, like the one you're leaning on.

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I'm thinking about emailing Leonsis and telling them to move Ovechkin off the point and put wideman on it.

Ovi/Backs/Brouwer
Wide/Green

PP2
Semin/Majo/Laich
Carlzner
I kind of liked that to. There was a play against Carolina where he got slashed going across the net and could have easily scored had it not been for the penalty. I'd like to give him more opportunities like that. Conversely though his slap shot from the point against Carolina did lead to a Brooks Laich goal and thats where he has had success in the past so it might be better to leave him at the point. Also keep in mind that keeping him on the point allows him to stay on the ice longer which we'll want once he starts to hit his stride.

Still I would rather have Carlson-Hammer on the point for that second unit you presented. Alzner is a bad fit for the PP at this point in his career compared to the other point options.

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10-13-2011, 04:17 PM
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no excuses here boys. time to put 60 minutes together and for the big gun(s?) to get going. also an early shot at redemption for vokoun. watching the pens they like to just toss it on the net often, like tampa did from all kinds of bad angles, so i hope he's ready as well as the guys in front of him. time to clear that crease and eliminate any junk rebound goals.

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10-13-2011, 04:17 PM
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not bad, switch laich and brouwer and replace alzner with hamrlik
Actually, that is a better set.

I kinda don't like the concept of 4 forwards on the PP because they usually suck at keeping the puck in the zone compared to defensemen.

Not to mention overstacking PP1 either has them tired for a long shift, or you sacrifice skill on PP2.

And finally, having OVI as the "QB" is kind of a waste, since the QB should be looking to pass first.

Having a "QB" like wideman with OVI/Green as one timer options with back/laich near the net? Should work.

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10-13-2011, 04:31 PM
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Jeff Schultz allowed 13.


Pancakes and dekes are great, but they don't win games. Goals do. And Jeff Schultz allows fewer goals than our other defensemen on the PK. And it's been that way for years, so the sample size is starting to do away with any random chance arguments, like the one you're leaning on.
Since you are fixated on the numbers, how many of those 10 extra goals were obviously Hannan's fault? If they werent attributed to his shortcomings, what significance does 5.87 mean?

Something the stat obsessed will never be able to disprove, I wonder if its possible that the other players realize they have to work harder to cover for his lack of mobility when they are on the ice with him, making his stats relative to the others, better. They have to hustle when he is on the ice, Alzner and Carlson, not so much. Oh a goal was scored, oops.

Or is them covering for the slowest player on the ice, a foreign concept.

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10-13-2011, 04:38 PM
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Actually, that is a better set.

I kinda don't like the concept of 4 forwards on the PP because they usually suck at keeping the puck in the zone compared to defensemen.

Not to mention overstacking PP1 either has them tired for a long shift, or you sacrifice skill on PP2.

And finally, having OVI as the "QB" is kind of a waste, since the QB should be looking to pass first.

Having a "QB" like wideman with OVI/Green as one timer options with back/laich near the net? Should work.
For me the ideal PP unit would include a playmaker, dangler, and power forward upfront with a QB and sniper in the back. So for me that would look more like this.

Semin-Backstrom-Laich
Wideman-Ovi

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10-13-2011, 04:40 PM
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Shultz's was a slapper that was going to be wide but was deflected on the way. To be fair it was an awesome slapper. He would get a lot more good attention if he could fire that off consistently.
That was a superb play and one that you ask from a Dman. Hard, low, and not blocked... those are your prioririties.

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10-13-2011, 04:41 PM
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Didn't notice if it got covered yet, but I saw Fleury is out with the flu, and Johnson's getting the start. At least according to the little breaking news icon on my espn fantasy league, he isn't.
Hopefully Johnson'll be rusty and make some mistakes, and we can get a good road win, without getting too banged up. I'd at least like to see they guys get a few early and play with some confidence.
I'd also like to see Hendricks and Brouwer lay out Staal and Cooke, but I''m not gonna go throwing too many pennies in the fountain, here.

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Since you are fixated on the numbers, how many of those 10 extra goals were obviously Hannan's fault? If they werent attributed to his shortcomings, what significance does 5.87 mean?

Something the stat obsessed will never be able to disprove, I wonder if its possible that the other players realize they have to work harder to cover for his lack of mobility when they are on the ice with him, making his stats relative to the others, better. They have to hustle when he is on the ice, Alzner and Carlson, not so much. Oh a goal was scored, oops.

Or is them covering for the slowest player on the ice, a foreign concept.
Sounds like 55 is our best motivator who makes others around him better. #Intangibles #Toews

A great compliment.

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10-13-2011, 04:45 PM
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Sounds like 55 is our best motivator who makes others around him better. #Intangibles #Toews

A great compliment.
Give him the C!

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You're correct that Hannan saw slightly more PK time than Schultz (2:40/game vs. 2:26/game). But Schultz did dramatically better. Hannan allowed 5.87 GA/60 compared to Schultz's 3.89 GA/60. Both allowed similar shots against/60 (45.5 for Hannan vs 44.9 for Schultz).

Among defensemen with 100+min of PK played for the Capitals last season, Schultz is the run-away winner in terms of least goals against per 60. Next closest is Carlson at 4.72 GA/60. ShaMo was the only defenseman close to Schultz in 2009-2010 (Schultz led at 6.06 GA/60 while Morrisonn had 6.19) and 2008-2009 (Schultz with 6.58, Morrisonn with 7.01).
oh...well that clears it up. 55 is awesome on the PK then...

all your stats dont change what I see....to this point in his career he is not a player I would call a specialist of any kind

now, that doesnt mean I hate him, he stinks, or any of the other things my opinion will likely get twisted into.

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10-13-2011, 04:53 PM
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Jeff Schultz allowed 13.


Pancakes and dekes are great, but they don't win games. Goals do. And Jeff Schultz allows fewer goals than our other defensemen on the PK. And it's been that way for years, so the sample size is starting to do away with any random chance arguments, like the one you're leaning on.
the PK was bad for years....thats like being the prettiest girl in Laurel

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Sounds like 55 is our best motivator who makes others around him better. #Intangibles #Toews

A great compliment.
Yes! I can see motivational snippets from Sarge being included in the Unleash the Fury montage on the Verizon jumbotron.

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This board is getting a lot more traffic than other seasons. Something to do with the NBA lockout?

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This board is getting a lot more traffic than other seasons. Something to do with the NBA lockout?
Haven't noticed any more traffic than normal...

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Wonder if the NBA lockout will help improve the ice conditions at the Verizon Center.

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Wonder if the NBA lockout will help improve the ice conditions at the Verizon Center.
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For the love of God can we quit the Schultz v. Hannan talk already. It takes over every GDT. We are stuck with Schultz for now deal with it. *****ing about it wont get him off the team or swap him for Hannan.

Back on topic. Here's hoping for a nice convincing win tonight!

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I'm actually pretty excited for tonights game.

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For the love of God can we quit the Schultz v. Hannan talk already. It takes over every GDT. We are stuck with Schultz for now deal with it. *****ing about it wont get him off the team or swap him for Hannan.

Back on topic. Here's hoping for a nice convincing win tonight!
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I would be all about giving Schultz the C if he used at least 25% of the power his huge frame is capable of. Alas...

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