I was glad Jaskin was picked based on what I read pre-draft, but he's clearly a project.
I'll check back in on him in two years. He's a bonus if he develops and comes over. A worthy risk.
Not in the 2011 draft. IMO, they would have been better off taking more of a sure thing with either the 41st or 46th. Then they still could have taken a boom/bust guy with the remaining pick.
Personally I didn't see a lot to get excited about that I'd be willing to bank on potential with two of my three 2nd round picks. A similiar situation took place in 2006 when the Blues passed on an excellent complimentary player in Clutterbuck to take another Czech League forward(yes, I know Jaskin is Russian). They took Tomas Kana 31st and it was a BIG missed opportunity to get a quality complimentary player. It was the difference between having a coveted asset(Clutterbuck) and a guy worth little to an NHL squad(Kana). I feel they did the exact same thing in 2011 with Jaskin. The Blues Czech League scout needs to just shut the hell up about forwards and concentrate his efforts on finding the next Roman Polak. This, in turn, will lead to me complaining less.
Moose Jaw Warriors forward and St. Louis Blues prospect Cody Beach suspended one game by the WHL for derogatory comments made to the Regina Pats bench in game 2 of their Eastern Conference Quarterfinal.
The series is tied 1-1.
Beach had a couple goals and assist in game 2 of the series.. the kid is a heck of a hockey player.. if he ever learns to keep himself in check.. watch out.. he's something to watch.
Not in the 2011 draft. IMO, they would have been better off taking more of a sure thing with either the 41st or 46th. Then they still could have taken a boom/bust guy with the remaining pick.
Personally I didn't see a lot to get excited about that I'd be willing to bank on potential with two of my three 2nd round picks. A similiar situation took place in 2006 when the Blues passed on an excellent complimentary player in Clutterbuck to take another Czech League forward(yes, I know Jaskin is Russian). They took Tomas Kana 31st and it was a BIG missed opportunity to get a quality complimentary player. It was the difference between having a coveted asset(Clutterbuck) and a guy worth little to an NHL squad(Kana). I feel they did the exact same thing in 2011 with Jaskin. The Blues Czech League scout needs to just shut the hell up about forwards and concentrate his efforts on finding the next Roman Polak. This, in turn, will lead to me complaining less.
It's a lot easier to look backwards and say what we should have done.
A question for MiGician. He's listed on eliteprospects.com as being 5'10", 181 lbs. is that still accurate? How physical is he? Do you think he would eventually be able to handle the physicality of the NHL? I also see he has a contract with Jokerit through 2013/14. Any idea when he might be willing to come overseas?
I think those measurements are accurate. He isn't very tall but compensates it with his smarts and great skating.
And I was surprised how good he was stopping all the HIFK forwards. He didn't give any big hits but he was able to stop them in the corners. When Eronen was on the ice I don't remember any dangerous situations from HIFK even Eronen is an offensive defenseman. Well, Eronen plays with Ossi Väänänen (former NHLer) so that helps a bit.
I really think that he'll make it to NHL. When you see him on the ice he is just a smart player. Hope you could see him. At this rate I would actually take Eronen(-Väänänen pair) to WHC.
I think Eronen will play next season in Finland and then he'll get ELC (most likely). Then it's up to your staff if they send him to AHL or straight to NHL but in 13/14 he should play in North America.
E: And about Kekäläinen-case, I exactly meant that Kekäläinen gave your staff a hint to select Eronen
Not in the 2011 draft. IMO, they would have been better off taking more of a sure thing with either the 41st or 46th. Then they still could have taken a boom/bust guy with the remaining pick.
Personally I didn't see a lot to get excited about that I'd be willing to bank on potential with two of my three 2nd round picks. A similiar situation took place in 2006 when the Blues passed on an excellent complimentary player in Clutterbuck to take another Czech League forward(yes, I know Jaskin is Russian). They took Tomas Kana 31st and it was a BIG missed opportunity to get a quality complimentary player. It was the difference between having a coveted asset(Clutterbuck) and a guy worth little to an NHL squad(Kana). I feel they did the exact same thing in 2011 with Jaskin. The Blues Czech League scout needs to just shut the hell up about forwards and concentrate his efforts on finding the next Roman Polak. This, in turn, will lead to me complaining less.
When did Jaskin become a boom/bust prospect? His playing style and skill-set should translate very well to a bottom six role even if he never fulfills his potential as a player.
I was asked to provide my thoughts on Cody Beach and Joel Edmundson ... for those of you curious who I am, I've made a couple of posts in the Ty Rattie Watch thread, you may be interested in checking them out as well.
Cody Beach is a lanky kid, plays with his heart and does a little bit of everything. When Calgary played for the Memorial Cup a few years back, I really thought he was an important piece for their team, as he was a good antagonizer, able to take the opposing team's players off of their game. He added some scoring this year for Moose Jaw, which a lot of us had been waiting to see out of him. He goes to the net hard and creates havoc, and he showed this year that he can also dish the puck, which was a nice addition to his game. He'll definitely need to fill in his frame, but at 6'6", if he ever does that, he should be a hulking forward. I'd project him as a potential 3rd/4th liner, an enforcer/pugilist, maybe a net front presence in a second powerplay unit (though not entirely likely) ... he won't be an elite enforcer like Derek Boogard or anything, but he could develop into a more skilled version of Jody Shelley. Too bad he doesn't have the wicked shot that his older brother has ... together, they'd make a damn fine power forward.
Joel Edmundson has developed in the shadow of Dylan McIlrath (one of my favorite prospects, FWIW), and it shows. Edmundson plays a simple, no nonsense defensive game, using his body to punish opposing forwards, and proving to be a willing combatant when he has to. I think his defensive game is slightly underrated, and he also improved his numbers over last year (in 15 fewer games). Edmundson will need to continue to improve his all-around game and footspeed, and at his absolute peak, he could be a bottom 3 guy who plays on the PK ... think Derek Engelland of the Pittsburgh Penguins.
I think those measurements are accurate. He isn't very tall but compensates it with his smarts and great skating.
And I was surprised how good he was stopping all the HIFK forwards. He didn't give any big hits but he was able to stop them in the corners. When Eronen was on the ice I don't remember any dangerous situations from HIFK even Eronen is an offensive defenseman. Well, Eronen plays with Ossi Väänänen (former NHLer) so that helps a bit.
I really think that he'll make it to NHL. When you see him on the ice he is just a smart player. Hope you could see him. At this rate I would actually take Eronen(-Väänänen pair) to WHC.
I think Eronen will play next season in Finland and then he'll get ELC (most likely). Then it's up to your staff if they send him to AHL or straight to NHL but in 13/14 he should play in North America.
E: And about Kekäläinen-case, I exactly meant that Kekäläinen gave your staff a hint to select Eronen
I personally wouldn't be so optimistic about his NHL potential. Don't get me wrong, I really like the guy and I think he's an awesome player but he's still a long shot to make the NHL.
He's improved very much from last year, he's become the leading offensive defenseman on Jokerit. Like you said, playing with Ossi Väänänen (imo the best defensive defenseman in the league by far) hasn't hurt his game. He's still got the size factor to get over, and while he's a slick skater he's not a pocket rocket like Vatanen for example, and his shot is still too soft for an NHL defenseman of his size.
I also agree that lately he's been very solid defensively, using his skating and smarts (sound positioning) to fend off attackers.
Never say never, though, if he can keep improving he'll get his chance, and I'm 99% sure he'll get signed to an ELC. Definately great value for a 7th rounder.
Sore Loser - thanks for all your knowledge about the 'Dub.
The Blues need to draft some left-handed D-men. Any candidates?
I disagree. Cole, Fairchild, Ponich, Edmundson, Cundari & Eronen are all lefties. IMO, the Blues could use another top-4 lefty this summer, especially if Colaiacovo and/or Huskins aren't retained but you don't draft based on current need.
I think Eronen has to work on his defensive game, and get stronger. Cundari hasn't looked like his game will translate to The NHL. He hasn't looked all that good on the AHL level. He's been around long enough to get an idea where he'll be in 2 years. I'll be surprised if he ever plays more than a couple inury-replacement games at the NHL level (if that).
I disagree. Cole, Fairchild, Ponich, Edmundson, Cundari & Eronen are all lefties. IMO, the Blues could use another top-4 lefty this summer, especially if Colaiacovo and/or Huskins aren't retained but you don't draft based on current need.
Edmundson is RH. Cundari is not a prospect. Eronen is a long shot.
We have Edmundson, Buekeboom, Hakanpaa and Shields as RH prospects. Cole should be on the Blues next year. Fairchild and Ponich LH prospects.
Edmundson is RH. Cundari is not a prospect. Eronen is a long shot.
We have Edmundson, Buekeboom, Hakanpaa and Shields as RH prospects. Cole should be on the Blues next year. Fairchild and Ponich LH prospects.
No, Edmundson's a lefty. I don't have the highest of hopes for Cundari or Eronen either but they still count and my point remains, you don't draft for current need.
No, Edmundson's a lefty. I don't have the highest of hopes for Cundari or Eronen either but they still count and my point remains, you don't draft for current need.
You're right. My mistake - thought Edmundson was righty.
Not really talking about current need. Just want to keep all the positions filled in the pipeline. But I see your point.
Sore Loser - thanks for all your knowledge about the 'Dub.
The Blues need to draft some left-handed D-men. Any candidates?
Brett Kulak of the Vancouver Giants would come fairly cheap (mid-round pick) ... could be a real gem, great defensive game. Derick Pouliot could possibly be available with your guys' first round pick, but he's a home run type player ... either he'll be a great powerplay guy, or he won't be a player at all.
Brett Kulak of the Vancouver Giants would come fairly cheap (mid-round pick) ... could be a real gem, great defensive game. Derick Pouliot could possibly be available with your guys' first round pick, but he's a home run type player ... either he'll be a great powerplay guy, or he won't be a player at all.
Looking at Jaskin's season he had minimal production in the senior league but after being sent down he recording 17 points in the 10 games he played in the under 20 league. Too early to call him a bust.
Looking at Jaskin's season he had minimal production in the senior league but after being sent down he recording 17 points in the 10 games he played in the under 20 league. Too early to call him a bust.
Wow - that's good news. Here are Jaskin's career numbers. Pretty good.
Jaskin's got some good offensive skills, and he's not averse to physical play/contact. He's had trouble getting a lot of ice time because he's moved up in leagues, and is a rookie. He's in the younger group in his league. We can't know if he's a bust until he's had a few years of full-time play at higher levels. Or, if he reaches 24 years old and never gets top European league playing time.
Jaskin's got some good offensive skills, and he's not averse to physical play/contact. He's had trouble getting a lot of ice time because he's moved up in leagues, and is a rookie. He's in the younger group in his league. We can't know if he's a bust until he's had a few years of full-time play at higher levels. Or, if he reaches 24 years old and never gets top European league playing time.
Not quite true Rob. According to HBD he played a fair amount with the senior team last season.
Not quite true Rob. According to HBD he played a fair amount with the senior team last season.
Well, in his first 55 games in The Czech Extraliga at age 17-18, he scored only 10 points. But that was 2nd best in that league for unior-aged players. This season, on that same team (Praha Slavia( he scored only 2 points in 30 games (not good, but not a tremendous amount less than his total for the year before in a like amount of games 0). It appears that he was sent down to the 2nd Czech men's league after 30 games, and has scored 5 points in 10 games. He may have scored less this year than expected. But, mostly at age 18 (he just turned 19 a couple days ago), he shouldn't be expected to score much in The Czech first men's league.
True to an extent, but he had his chances. I mean Hertl had 25 points in 38 games for Slavia this season.
As I said, I'm not going to call Jaškin a bust yet. He is the type of player that can take a while to develop, but he needs to work harder. Motivation is a worry with him long term.
Moose Jaw won 2-1 in Game 1 over Etem's Medicine Hat and our defensive d-man Joel Edmundson had both goals.
Rattie has the only Portland goal as the Winterhawks trail 3-1 to Kamloops at home in Game 1 heading into the 3d.
In the Q, MacAulay had 2 goals and Tesink had a goal and 2 assists in Saint John's 9-3 Game 1 win over Baie-Comeau. Tesink assisted on both MacAulay goals.
Shawnigan's Villieux was held pointless and Shawnigan lost in OT in their Game 1 vs. Chicoutimi. However, as Mem Cup host they have the autobid to the Finals.
Moose Jaw won 2-1 in Game 1 over Etem's Medicine Hat and our defensive d-man Joel Edmundson had both goals.
Rattie has the only Portland goal as the Winterhawks trail 3-1 to Kamloops at home in Game 1 heading into the 3d.
In the Q, MacAulay had 2 goals and Tesink had a goal and 2 assists in Saint John's 9-3 Game 1 win over Baie-Comeau. Tesink assisted on both MacAulay goals.
Shawnigan's Villieux was held pointless and Shawnigan lost in OT in their Game 1 vs. Chicoutimi. However, as Mem Cup host they have the autobid to the Finals.
Edmundson finally broke the deadlock 8: 11 into the second period. Cam Braes redirected a Fioretti shot and forced Bunz into a tough save. The danger seemed to pass, but Edmundson took a swinging hack at the loose puck from an acute angle and beat Bunz to the short side.
"I was behind the goal line and chucked it on net and good things happen when you put pucks to the net," said Edmundson, who had four goals in 56 regular-season games but now has three in six playoff games.
"The first half of the season, I didn't have any goals. Coming back after Christmas I wanted to play more offensive and it has turned out well. I've focused on getting pucks through and good things have happened."
Edmundson picked the top corner to put the Warriors ahead 2-0 on their 40th shot of the night.
Edmundson finally broke the deadlock 8: 11 into the second period. Cam Braes redirected a Fioretti shot and forced Bunz into a tough save. The danger seemed to pass, but Edmundson took a swinging hack at the loose puck from an acute angle and beat Bunz to the short side.
"I was behind the goal line and chucked it on net and good things happen when you put pucks to the net," said Edmundson, who had four goals in 56 regular-season games but now has three in six playoff games.
"The first half of the season, I didn't have any goals. Coming back after Christmas I wanted to play more offensive and it has turned out well. I've focused on getting pucks through and good things have happened."
Edmundson picked the top corner to put the Warriors ahead 2-0 on their 40th shot of the night.
Aces defenseman Brandon Gentile sat out with an upper-body injury suffered in Game 4. Rookie David Shields, in his pro playoff debut, filled in nicely, furnishing two assists and a plus-2 rating.
