Sorry, reality begs to differ....as you say, Wang spent money. And yet the team never finished better than 22nd in attendance. The Isles never managed 15k a night. In 2003-4 the Isles made the playoffs for the third straight year and couldn't even pull in 14k.
Yes, if the Isles won the Cup they would probably sell out most nights. But you can't run a team where the only way to make money is to win the Cup. If being a consistent playoff team isn't enough to generate fans, then the area is not viable.
Exactly!!! The team needs to leave Nassau County!!!
Yeah right, if a guy with deep pockets shows up and says he wants to build an arena in Quebec City, guess what's going to happen? Why would Gary Bettman hold up an owner with a plan from cleaning up that mess in Garden City
I think the Coyotes will be more likely to move to Quebec starting next season. The current Eastern Conference will be 2 conferences of 7 teams each whereas the West will have 2 conferences of 8 teams each. There is room for 1 team to cross over.
Now back to our dilemma, Wang and others have always wanted to build some sort of medical science school or whatever.. Some type of Sports medicine training center. Stanford is still looking for an east coast place and Nassau County can be Sillicon Island. Where are the Pols, Hell where is Wang? Id approach Stanford and say lets merge with the state throwing in additional funds. As they threw 100 million for Cornell to develop Roosevelt Island
Stanford creates a new campus with promises of and hopes of Long Island being the next Palo Altos, CA and the Isles get an arena.
Spare me the Hofstra and Nassau CC thing - This is the Harvard of the west we are talking about awarding scholarships to top programmers around the world. Wang owns Computer Associates and he can cherry pick the best of the best
... its just a thought.
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I think the Coyotes will be more likely to move to Quebec starting next season. The current Eastern Conference will be 2 conferences of 7 teams each whereas the West will have 2 conferences of 8 teams each. There is room for 1 team to cross over.
Where do they plan on playing? This phantom arena hasn't even had a shovel dug into the ground yet. I have a hard time seeing them play at Le Colisee since the whole reason the Nords moved to Colorado was because they needed a new building.
Where do they plan on playing? This phantom arena hasn't even had a shovel dug into the ground yet. I have a hard time seeing them play at Le Colisee since the whole reason the Nords moved to Colorado was because they needed a new building.
I remember reading somewhere that Bettman would be OK with them playing in Le Colisee for 2-3 years until the new arena is built.
Now back to our dilemma, Wang and others have always wanted to build some sort of medical science school or whatever.. Some type of Sports medicine training center. Stanford is still looking for an east coast place and Nassau County can be Sillicon Island. Where are the Pols, Hell where is Wang? Id approach Stanford and say lets merge with the state throwing in additional funds. As they threw 100 million for Cornell to develop Roosevelt Island
Stanford creates a new campus with promises of and hopes of Long Island being the next Palo Altos, CA and the Isles get an arena.
Spare me the Hofstra and Nassau CC thing - This is the Harvard of the west we are talking about awarding scholarships to top programmers around the world. Wang owns Computer Associates and he can cherry pick the best of the best
... its just a thought.
Can we drop an arena on Roosevelt Island too? Maybe Moulson can arrange a sit-down btwn Skorton and Wang. Cornell is nuts about hockey, figure it out, boys.
Sorry, reality begs to differ....as you say, Wang spent money. And yet the team never finished better than 22nd in attendance. The Isles never managed 15k a night. In 2003-4 the Isles made the playoffs for the third straight year and couldn't even pull in 14k.
Yes, if the Isles won the Cup they would probably sell out most nights. But you can't run a team where the only way to make money is to win the Cup. If being a consistent playoff team isn't enough to generate fans, then the area is not viable.
Beyond the 13-1-1 run, where they finished 500 the rest of the season in Yr1 of that 'consistent playoff team' NYI were a bubble team and just happened to finish Yr2 and Yr3 in the 8th slot. Why? B/c Wanger turned off the faucet and MM made poor player moves. NEVER did anyone consider NYI at that time a consistent playoff team.
A consistent playoff team is DET, SJ, VAN, PHI, PIT, etc.
Can we drop an arena on Roosevelt Island too? Maybe Moulson can arrange a sit-down btwn Skorton and Wang. Cornell is nuts about hockey, figure it out, boys.
Let's Go Red!
HAHA We can still be called Islanders.. though there is no shot in hell of that happening sadly.
If Nassau county pols and NYS Pols were smart I wouls seriously court the idea to Stanford in Uniondale. Its better then a Casino
Exactly!!! The team needs to leave Nassau County!!!
If they want to make money, that it 100% correct.
So...For those of you that say Wang only wants to make money, how come he REFUSES to even speak with any other city - Even New York City - When he would make more money almost anywhere else?
Either Wang really does love Nassau County more than he does making money...Or he's one of the most clueless or worst negotiators in history
What a disaster that would be, there's almost zero road access there except one lousy lane that circles the island and out into the industrial wilds of Queens
So...For those of you that say Wang only wants to make money, how come he REFUSES to even speak with any other city - Even New York City - When he would make more money almost anywhere else?
Either Wang really does love Nassau County more than he does making money...Or he's one of the most clueless or worst negotiators in history
Nobody knows for certain what Wang is doing. Just because nothing is on the press about him pursuing other options doesn't mean he is ignoring them. Mike Picker once told Chris King that the Isles won't negotiate through the press and will only let them know when it's the right time or along those lines.
What a disaster that would be, there's almost zero road access there except one lousy lane that circles the island and out into the industrial wilds of Queens
Yeah....lack of car access and then everyone would be taking the f subway out of there....most packed train ever
Now back to our dilemma, Wang and others have always wanted to build some sort of medical science school or whatever.. Some type of Sports medicine training center. Stanford is still looking for an east coast place and Nassau County can be Sillicon Island. Where are the Pols, Hell where is Wang? Id approach Stanford and say lets merge with the state throwing in additional funds. As they threw 100 million for Cornell to develop Roosevelt Island
Stanford creates a new campus with promises of and hopes of Long Island being the next Palo Altos, CA and the Isles get an arena.
Spare me the Hofstra and Nassau CC thing - This is the Harvard of the west we are talking about awarding scholarships to top programmers around the world. Wang owns Computer Associates and he can cherry pick the best of the best
... its just a thought.
Wang has nothing to do with Computer Associates. He left, tried to come back and was tossed out in disgrace. He has nothing to do with CA outside of being the orchestrator of its rise and more tellingly its downfall.
Do the research. You'll find out the dark truth of paper trails and how Wang stayed out of prison by not allowing emails and messages on paper.
HAHA We can still be called Islanders.. though there is no shot in hell of that happening sadly.
If Nassau county pols and NYS Pols were smart I wouls seriously court the idea to Stanford in Uniondale. Its better then a Casino
Given Nassau's current fiscal situation, it's high cost of living/doing business and it's abysmal political/economic track record, why in the world would Stanford choose Nassau county?
The reality is any new Arena in Nassau is going to have to be a private venture.
Given Nassau's current fiscal situation, it's high cost of living/doing business and it's abysmal political/economic track record, why in the world would Stanford choose Nassau county?
The reality is any new Arena in Nassau is going to have to be a private venture.
Given the money in Nassau, the owner we have and the track record of progress, it's gonna be a remodel. Nothing big. Any big plans will be 15-20 years down the line when the County can potentially get out of the mess it's in.
If the same schmucks are reelected, it may take longer.
Anyone know if Hofstra will have the clout to block anything another college wants to build across the street from their overpriced university?
Everything I've been saying. The money will come when Nassau recovers. Until then, the arena needs new seats, bathrooms and ice condensers. A wider concourse and a three week construction project in the summer for the sub-floor retrofit and seat installation. Planned out, it's stage one, which could end up with stage two in better times. And we have a modernized arena eventually but tolerable one immediately.
Wang has said time and again, he will not stay in the NVMC one second longer then he absolutely has too. To me that is fairly clear. A renovated arena — I don't see it — unless...and this is a BIG unless...
If Wang is basically given the consessions and the parking for all 41 games, he may swallow a short term deal with a renovated arena.
But even then.... i am doubtful.
He wants either a deal where he will earn income from the supporting buildings (see LHP) and he will pay for it, or he wants a new arena and let the tax-payers or prvt investors foot the bill. But if it the later — where it is just a stand-alone arena, he is not going to do the work on getting investors or raise funds for it. He will be a tenant in that kind of situation, and that is what he does not want.
I would still prefer Willits Point. Mayor of NYC is moving that along to the next phase, and it could be set and ready just in time for Mr. Wang — which would be OUTSTANDING!
Wang has said time and again, he will not stay in the NVMC one second longer then he absolutely has too. To me that is fairly clear. A renovated arena — I don't see it — unless...and this is a BIG unless...
If Wang is basically given the consessions and the parking for all 41 games, he may swallow a short term deal with a renovated arena.
But even then.... i am doubtful.
He wants either a deal where he will earn income from the supporting buildings (see LHP) and he will pay for it, or he wants a new arena and let the tax-payers or prvt investors foot the bill. But if it the later — where it is just a stand-alone arena, he is not going to do the work on getting investors or raise funds for it. He will be a tenant in that kind of situation, and that is what he does not want.
I would still prefer Willits Point. Mayor of NYC is moving that along to the next phase, and it could be set and ready just in time for Mr. Wang — which would be OUTSTANDING!
NYC may offer the Islanders a publicly funded arena in the Citi Field parking lot (adjacent to WP) given their history of bailing out sports teams. Yankees, Mets and Nets in the last decade. The Isles could be next.
NYC may offer the Islanders a publicly funded arena in the Citi Field parking lot (adjacent to WP) given their history of bailing out sports teams. Yankees, Mets and Nets in the last decade. The Isles could be next.
They probably offered it to Wang already, but he replied, "Don't count Long Island out."
They probably offered it to Wang already, but he replied, "Don't count Long Island out."
Wang could have replied that way, but it sounds like he also rejected the latest Nassau plan via Gary Bettman. If Bettman says there must be concrete plans on the horizon only 10 days after Mangano introduced 2 plans to keep the Isles in Nassau (privately built Coliseum), then it's safe to say Wang is not interested in the latest Nassau plans.
They probably offered it to Wang already, but he replied, "Don't count Long Island out."
Also it takes awhile to negotiate publicly funded arenas. It took mets about 9 months to negotiate with NYC to fund Citi Field.If the Isles entered negotiations with NYC right after the referendum ended, it would be reasonable to hear about it in May of 2012.
Wang has said time and again, he will not stay in the NVMC one second longer then he absolutely has too. To me that is fairly clear. A renovated arena — I don't see it — unless...and this is a BIG unless...
If Wang is basically given the consessions and the parking for all 41 games, he may swallow a short term deal with a renovated arena.
But even then.... i am doubtful.
He wants either a deal where he will earn income from the supporting buildings (see LHP) and he will pay for it, or he wants a new arena and let the tax-payers or prvt investors foot the bill. But if it the later — where it is just a stand-alone arena, he is not going to do the work on getting investors or raise funds for it. He will be a tenant in that kind of situation, and that is what he does not want.
I would still prefer Willits Point. Mayor of NYC is moving that along to the next phase, and it could be set and ready just in time for Mr. Wang — which would be OUTSTANDING!
You mean the concessions and parking he gets now? (along with the concessions, parking, ad revenue, ticket net revenue and luxury box revenue he gets not just to Islander but ALL events at NVMC)
If he gets the same sweetheart deal now, he'd be a fool to not sign on. He won't get the same deal elsewhere unless he makes a few billion somehow and pays to build an arena elsewhere. He's a tenant elsewhere, but NVMC/Nassau gave him an amazing deal post SMG.
They probably offered it to Wang already, but he replied, "Don't count Long Island out."
You may be correct, but did you ever consider that Wang may be so insanely committed to Nassau that he refuses, or is afraid to, listen to any other proposals?
If Queens were to offer a publicly funded arena and a sweetheart deal to Wang how does he justify turning it down in order to keep his Nassau fantasy alive?
Wang may own the Islanders but they are still a franchise of the NHL and I would like to think that the NHL would only allow any franchise to be mismanaged to a certain extent.
You may be correct, but did you ever consider that Wang may be so insanely committed to Nassau that he refuses, or is afraid to, listen to any other proposals?
If Queens were to offer a publicly funded arena and a sweetheart deal to Wang how does he justify turning it down in order to keep his Nassau fantasy alive?
Wang may own the Islanders but they are still a franchise of the NHL and I would like to think that the NHL would only allow any franchise to be mismanaged to a certain extent.
Consider it...? I'm confident in that Wang is NOT seriously considering any arena deal right now outside of Nassau County...And therefore he's an idiot.
Even if he full intentions were to stay in Nassau you MUST listen to all offers seriously because...
You're more likely to get a raise from your own boss if you're interviewing with other companies.
Nassau had their chance over the last decade
Not sure what recourse the NHL, or us fans, have to claim management/ownership from Wang to run the team like the Coyotes, but I'd pray for it if it would help.
Consider it...? I'm confident in that Wang is NOT seriously considering any arena deal right now outside of Nassau County...And therefore he's an idiot.
Even if he full intentions were to stay in Nassau you MUST listen to all offers seriously because...
You're more likely to get a raise from your own boss if you're interviewing with other companies.
Nassau had their chance over the last decade
Not sure what recourse the NHL, or us fans, have to claim management/ownership from Wang to run the team like the Coyotes, but I'd pray for it if it would help.
It may sound that way based on how Bettman talked about the Isles arena situation in the last 2 months. However, I don't think he would tell the media Wang is seriously looking at another option(s) at this time as that would cause a media circus and trickle down to the team's play on the ice.
