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10-15-2011, 11:49 PM
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IMO we would not fire neither Arniel nor Howson but trade, scratch or bench some untouchable veterans.

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I dont think its a matter of the players "quiting", they're just not as good as the other teams

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If JPM was Bill Gates, we could do it!
LOL In all seriousness, we need to be sending a message. As long as mediocre is acceptable, that's what we will get. Can't ***** about it when we ask for it.

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IMO we would not fire neither Arniel nor Howson but trade, scratch or bench some untouchable veterans.
Where to start?!? So many options.

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I dont think its a matter of the players "quiting", they're just not as good as the other teams
They're not quitting. They're simply not working. "We need to play a full 60 minute game" is a worn out saw in these parts.

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Where to start?!? So many options.
Pahlsson and Umberger... Pahlsson trade, Umberger scratch...

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I like Arniel. I like his intentions, his competitive spirit and the idea of the game he wants to play.

It boils down to this for me:

This team has no faith in what it's doing out there. None.

I've never asked for a coach to be fired. I think sports fans are generally far too impatient with these things, but I don't know how else you fix what's going on here.

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I like Arniel. I like his intentions, his competitive spirit and the idea of the game he wants to play.

It boils down to this for me:

This team has no faith in what it's doing out there. None.

I've never asked for a coach to be fired. I think sports fans are generally far too impatient with these things, but I don't know how else you fix what's going on here.
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10-16-2011, 12:22 AM
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I like Arniel. I like his intentions, his competitive spirit and the idea of the game he wants to play.

It boils down to this for me:

This team has no faith in what it's doing out there. None.

I've never asked for a coach to be fired. I think sports fans are generally far too impatient with these things, but I don't know how else you fix what's going on here.
I looked in my Magic 8 Ball; the answer is...

Trade to shake up the dressing room.

Bye bye insert name(s) here

Last time it was Chimera, I'm guessing it's either Pahlsson or Dorsett. No reason I picked them, other than they are peripheral players, much like Chimera.

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10-16-2011, 01:08 AM
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Standing at 0-4-1, it's hard to see both Arniel and Howson keeping their jobs into next season.

Unless the team has a run like the Hitch boat had before his firing, I could see Arniel staying on with a new GM.

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10-16-2011, 02:24 AM
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It's his team. It's Howson's team. You like what you see? They better figure out how to get back to .500 by game 20.
To clarify, I didn't say Arniel should be absolved of all blame, but I'm saying he can't be blamed for all of it because he hasn't been with the team long enough to qualify in the time frame of the OP.

I previously said elsewhere in here (can't remember where, possibly the GDT for Colorado?) that Howson has to be held accountable as well. I know it is early in the season so we shouldn't knee-jerk, but at the same time, *this bad* of a start isn't acceptable.

The baseball adage is you can't win a division in April but you can sure lose it. We're facing that with the Jackets in October.

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I'm like a broken record, I know. But as long as we keep running that same group of overmatched defensemen out there, we have no chance. Oh, we may hit a hot streak and win 3 of 4. But the balance of the season will be spent in misery. Most of those guys would not play on any other NHL team. How could Howson possibly have thought this D corps was adequate? How much difference can Wiz possibly make?

Not that they're the only problem. Vermy? RJ? Sammy? You guys awake?

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We have a cancer in the room. It's a veteran.
I'd like to hear more about this. Links/sources if it's a fact - names and explanations/evidence if it's an opinion.

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10-16-2011, 09:22 AM
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IMO nobody would scratch, put to the fourth line or bench veterans who play in our second line... nobody. And there is a problem... . So, Babcock, Trotz or Julien could be here... they would not do it. And our g-man? I know from Preds fan (not from USA) that Dekanich is a big talent it was a good job but who could wait that he injured?

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10-16-2011, 09:35 AM
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And I was given the impression the problem was Atkinson

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We have a cancer in the room. It's a veteran.
Please do tell. Otherwise, your posts are wasting my time.

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Where to start?

Carter is 0-fer
Nash is Nash -sometimes great, often times not visible
Wis is suspended
PP is "red hot"
The D is essentially the same as last year, except most are playing one line up
Mason is Mason (or the second coming of Andrew Raycroft)
The team has no grit
The team is locked up for a long time-not a good sign
The organization can't draft worth a poop
Has anyone seen Umberger, Vermette, Brassard,et al?
Now only have to win 48 out of 77 to get to 97 points and a playoff spot
What's that Russian kid's name?
And we have what the 5th or 6th highest payroll?
And to think the BJ's have accomplished this against Nashville,Minnesota,Vancouver,Colorado and Dallas-just wait till they get to the easy part of the schedule!


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10-16-2011, 10:03 AM
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And I was given the impression the problem was Atkinson
Prospal--Carter--Nash
Umberger--Johansen--Atkinson
Calvert--Vermette--Mayorov
Byers--MacKenzie--Dorsett

Tyutin, Savard
Methot, Martinek
Holden, Johnson

Bobrovsky

it is a pity Ruth is injured

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I'm not sure of how Arniel comes across in the room, whether he is a players coach or a coach that says, by god were going to do it my way, or I will staple your ass to the press box.

It seems he is a little of both from watching him in action at a couple of training camps, and seeing him in game action. Him telling Shawn Mitchell and Raffi 2 to go ask the players how they felt about the game is like Arniel saying, they won't do as I tell them, or no one is playing the way I want them to, or they won't listen to me.

It comes off as petty. It also comes off as not having things in control, which is bad for a pro coach.

I like Arniel. The players, not all of them, aren't playing the system the way it is intended. 2-1-2 is what I think Arny is after, and if the fore check isn't going full speed, breakouts are simple for the other team. More often than not instead of getting the puck deep from outside the blueline, the players are getting the puck taken away at or just inside the blueline.

I think Arniel better get a handle on this quickly. The freelance system the players are trying is getting shutdown pretty easily by other teams. The one on one play without using teammates, the cross ice passes and no look passes that get taken away continuously, the defensive zone breakdowns where defensemen are leaving their check chasing a puck, only to have the guy they left wide open for an easy goal.


Arniel may want to get back to a simpler 1-2-2. It seems like the team is trying too hard to make a pretty play, rather than simply gaining the zone, or getting the puck out, or getting a shot on net, where a rebound is as good as a pass.


This is Arniel's chance to basically save his job. The team isn't in sync with the way he has it aligned, and it is up to him to get it back on track.

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10-16-2011, 10:47 AM
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To me, Howson's and Arniel's fates are tied; if one goes, both goes. Any prospective GM who wants to take this job on should have the right to select which coach he wants to take to battle.

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Calling for Ruth? Guy is probably the 4th callup from Springfield at 100%

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I'd like to hear more about this. Links/sources if it's a fact - names and explanations/evidence if it's an opinion.
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And I was given the impression the problem was Atkinson
There you have it DSL.

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Please do tell. Otherwise, your posts are wasting my time.
Clearly something is all balled up. There is no reason I can think of that what looks like a competitive roster is playing like they all really want Yakupov as a teammate.

This franchise floundered because the players haven't competed for coaches: King, MacLean, Gallant, Agnew, Hitchcock and Arniel. They haven't competed for two GMs: MacLean and Howson. Something or some people is causing this. What are the constants?

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There you have it DSL.



Clearly something is all balled up. There is no reason I can think of that what looks like a competitive roster is playing like they all really want Yakupov as a teammate.

This franchise floundered because the players haven't competed for coaches: King, MacLean, Gallant, Agnew, Hitchcock and Arniel. They haven't competed for two GMs: MacLean and Howson. Something or some people is causing this. What are the constants?
The owners and the arena? The OP site, that's it!

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It's a good thing Arniel decided he was too cool to work with Commodore, as he's exactly the type of defenseman we need at this point.

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It's a good thing Arniel decided he was too cool to work with Commodore, as he's exactly the type of defenseman we need at this point.
Type yes, but not Commodore. He was a player who made many mistakes and players overskated him. IMO we should call Holden.

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